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welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore

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controversial science with leading

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researchers thinkers and of course their

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critics one thing that especially

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fascinates me is things hidden in plain

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sight things that are not obvious until

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someone points it out and then once they

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do you're like yeah I kind of knew that

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it's hard for me to imagine a better

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example then the stars in the sky in the

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universal stories that are told about

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I mean why all the epic myths by the

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heroic warrior God adventures and why

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the heck are all civilizations from all

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different parts of the world telling the

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same story think about that last one for

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a minute so there's this ancient guy in

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Polynesia sitting on a surfboard looking

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up at some random blob of stars because

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that's what they look like to most of us

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and he's telling the same sacred story

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as some Viking in Iceland who's buried

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up to his waist and snow and the same

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story that some african tribesmen hold

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sacred as something that's been passed

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on forever that's not supposed to happen

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that's not explainable by our current

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understanding of how anthropology works

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we don't have any archaeological

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evidence to support why all these

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civilizations would be connected in that

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way well today's returning guest David

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Matheson has almost single-handedly

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changed the way we think about stars and

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the star mists associated with them and

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this hidden in plain sight

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kind of thing that I just talked about

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his books star mists of the world vol 1

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2 3 I think you're defying for now

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aren't you do ya I'm going for is Norse

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myths and it was published in 2018 Alex

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I say I'm one volume behind hard to keep

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up with this guy and he's got a bunch of

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other books that will introduce you to

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excellent books overwhelmingly clear

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convincing I would say at this point

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undeniable evidence for the universal

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star myth hypothesis but what's really

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cool and I'm going on here for a while

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but I want to get it up to this point

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because what's really cool about today's

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interview and what we're going to get

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into is the messages behind those myths

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so if we can get to the point of saying

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yeah that seems pretty undeniable then

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we ought to take the next step and say

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what might be the message behind it I

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mean if there was some great teacher and

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just put a pin in that for a second who

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took the trouble to spread this

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perennial wisdom throughout our world

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throughout ancient civilizations to our

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planet then maybe we ought to figure out

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what they were trying to tell us so

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that's what we're gonna do today

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with fantastic guest star myth master

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David Matheson who I have total respect

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for as a fellow seeker on the path I

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pranaam to you even though in typical

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skeptical fashion of inquiry to

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perpetuate doubt I'm probably gonna have

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some contentious points with you on a

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couple of these issues but that's the

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kind of stuff I like the level 3

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discussion beyond the kind of usual

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stuff it's so great to have you back

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David I'm so glad you initiated this

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because this whole conversation is

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taking on a life of its own that I am

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really really excited to get in the

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middle of so let me step back and say

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welcome and thank you for joining me

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well thank you Alex and thank you for

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that kind and generous introduction

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so the conversation that we will have

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will be different than any other

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conversation because you'll bring out

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questions from your experience and

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background and perspective that nobody

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else can oh yeah you can count on that

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hey as I as I told you I'm kind of into

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my skeptical jeopardy phase

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leave em phone for me I hope people are

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receiving it well and that's what I

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thought we play today as a way of kind

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of framing up this chat we might have

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and for those who are listening to the

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sceptical jeopardy board here it is

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stars purposely concealed authentic self

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the spiritual path contact modalities on

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that wall myth versus history academia

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and ancient aliens you know we really

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probably ought to start even though I

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did a long introduction with stars

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because that's what this is about and on

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your website your excellent website I

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picked up three phrases that I think are

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kind of key to the whole thing so I

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explained what the star myth thing is

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but please do it in your own language

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and the three words are verifiable

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Universal and profound profound

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invisible realm that it opens this up to

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so maybe you want to kind of take off on

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that great yeah I'm already liking your

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format so I'll take stars four stars for

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a hundred thousand and if you hear

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that's a hundred things a game where you

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can only win the money you can't

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actually lose money

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I can't lose 100 thousand with this

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question Kenneth so yeah I've got my my

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dog is calmly in nearby he likes to be

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nearby so if you hear any distracting

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noises don't blame me it's he's you he's

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in his place so star myths the phrase I

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world's ancient myths scriptures and

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sacred stories as you said in the

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introduction are based on a system of

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celestial metaphor and people sometimes

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say what what are you talking about well

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to make it even more precise I would say

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virtually all the characters and

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episodes of the various myths whether

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it's the myths of ancient Greece the

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from the Pacific like you alluded to in

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the opening or from Maya or from North

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America Africa Australia virtually all

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those characters and the episodes can be

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shown can be shown to be based on

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specific constellations the problem that

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many people have in getting their minds

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around even what I just said it is it's

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very difficult for most people to

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envision the constellation because we

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haven't been taught the constellations

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that might be in a different Square on

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Jeopardy but for one reason or another

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reads astrology columns every day if I

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said can you sketch out the stars of

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or the stars of the constellation Gemini

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actually sketching out the Stars the

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outline or even pointing them out to me

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in the heavens even though they know

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very extensive knowledge about the

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system of what Gemini represents or you

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know what characteristics are associated

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with Gemini maybe let me just interject

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in here that's all the time I mean the

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modern understanding of those

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constellations are that they must have

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been really really bored and had a

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really wild imagination because so look

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they see doesn't make any sense that is

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the modern interpretation of it so you

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kind of have two levels to bridge there

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one is people are dismissing it because

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it's like I can't see those things up

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there and then number two if even if you

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pointed out to me I'd say well it's just

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kind of silly from a bunch of people who

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are really Borden had a vivid

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imagination

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that's right sometimes the term

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pareidolia comes up you know seeing

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shapes in the clouds well we all can do

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that paranoia is the human tendency some

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say it was an evolutionary tendency to

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see faces because if you're an infant a

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smiling adult face could be your means

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of sustenance so we kind of start to see

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faces everywhere

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look at that tree I see a face in it

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that's that there's a term for that

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called pareidolia Carl Sagan actually

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talked about it in this essay he wrote

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called the demon haunted world where he

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said oh people kind of imagine demons

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outgrowth of pareidolia so so I I'm

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trying to put a put the full weight of

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the anti argument and now I actually

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didn't say one further we have to bridge

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even a third thing from what you said

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you're right how do you know you say oh

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that's just pareidolia Dave you're just

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seeing some shapes that you see I don't

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even see those I see different ones

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who's the same and you're wrong or

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you're right none wrong but even further

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Tina swallowed like a piece of dust even

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further would be to say now it would be

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very unlikely for a culture in

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Polynesian islands scattered across the

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Pacific to connect those stars the same

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way as ancient Greece on the entire

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opposite side of the globe without any

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contact and not too many people would in

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academia would allege that ancient

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Egyptian were in contact with ancient

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Maya or ancient Polynesia or Pacific

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northern round it's very distinctive it

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looks like an arc I could see that being

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imagined as a necklace or a crown in

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many different cultures because humans

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wear necklaces we all have next they

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wear crowns we all have heads that

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constellation I could see that cropping

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up but some of these connections are so

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arcane so obscure and some of these

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constellations are very difficult to

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to argue that around the world people

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imagined the same constellations and

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imbued them with the same

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characteristics and yet that's what we

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find in a myth so

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setting up an even higher bill or high

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jump that I have to try and jump on to

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and yet this is just what the evidence

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overwhelmingly overwhelmingly suggests

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yeah exactly I mean you don't even have

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to get very far into this I mean you are

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truly um you're a researcher I mean you

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used to teach college there at West

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Point right so you're and you understand

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academia you understand what it takes to

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convince you know a body of intelligent

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people and you've way overshot the

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target right I mean anyone who picks up

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your book volume one two three four I

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mean you're just gonna be blown away

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there's there's no way this stuff can be

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explained away and what's left is this

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huge mystery which never will be

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explained away because at least that's

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my contention is that the part of the

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process we don't there's maybe that's

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another skeptic Oh jeopardy a bored

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piece here because purposely concealed

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constellations but one of the things I

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picked up on what you talked about

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alluded to is that at some point in our

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history the chain of this spreading of

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wisdom was intentionally broken and we

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kind of wound up with you know this

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disconnect from this esoteric wisdom do

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you want to touch on that at all yeah so

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this is this is a big part of the part

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of the story and when you say we you

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skeptical square jeopardy Square Roman

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and it primarily happened I would argue

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in the Roman Empire in places at the

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Roman Empire conquered and those other

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parts of the world that didn't get

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conquered by the Roman Empire such as

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India or China or North

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America Central America South America

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the Pacific stayed more in touch with

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their quote-unquote original

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instructions their ancient wisdom the

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term original instructions I'll give

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credit to Peter Kingsley and author that

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people might want to check out Peter

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Kingsley write some very interesting

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analysis and fantastic books the

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original instructions of every culture

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wouldn't it be nice if we were all still

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in touch with the original instructions

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but what happened at some point and this

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is not really debatable is something

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called literalist Christianity was

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instituted in the Roman Empire how it

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how it went from a small group to

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Emperor Constantine declaring that he

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was a Christian and then eventually

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declaring that Christianity was the was

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the official religion of the Roman

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Empire and some successive Emperor's

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between Constantine and Theodosius kept

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upping the requirement to where ok

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Christianity is an official religion

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okay now we've got to get rid of all the

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pagan gods okay now we're going to shut

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down the temple at Delphi that had been

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in operation for at least eight

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centuries maybe longer the Eleusinian

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mysteries of Greece they were still

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going the Eleusinian mysteries had found

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been going for 800 years or more when

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Theodosius shut them down in the late

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300 AD this is all historical pretty

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indisputable some people might dispute

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it but it's pretty well established that

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the Roman Empire became literalist

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Christian that in itself is a bit of a

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head-scratcher

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if you're a Christian literalist you

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would say well it's God's providence it

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would be pretty hard to take over the

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Roman Empire well let's we have to throw

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in there the kind of counter explanation

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for what's going on with Constantine and

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the Romans and it's uncomfortable for

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people because it's sound so

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conspiratorial but it to me

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it's the best way to line up with the

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facts one the church quote unquote that

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Constantine establishes is really an

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exact redo reboot of the Roman existing

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system that they have with the 12

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pillars and the twelfth ideal whole

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thing and then further this is this is

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ushered in with serfdom right so rights

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of all the subjects are taken away you

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can no longer own land you can no longer

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even choose what job you have you have

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to choose the profession of your of your

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parents and all these other restrictions

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that basically turn people into slaves

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and in turn what you get for that is

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eternal salvation oh here we have now

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have this state religion that we're

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going to support and you're gonna follow

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it and then you'll get yours in heaven

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I'll get mine now

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so I mean you don't even have to be that

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cynical to see this as a massive kind of

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social engineering social control kind

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of thing and certainly even if you don't

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if you have a hard time wrapping your

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head around that then you just

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fast-forward and you see how it plays

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out I mean that's exactly how it plays

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out so even if you don't accept that

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that was the intention from the

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beginning it's kind of hard to deny that

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well yeah that's a that's an interesting

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way of putting it I might not choose the

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exact same words in my description but

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I'm in generally agreeing with what

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you're saying because that is what grew

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out of basically I mean some questions

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to be asked to be well why would you do

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it with Christianity if you've already

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got the pagan God so-called or their

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ancient gods and the Vestal Virgins and

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all the different institutions of the

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the Senate was kind of the protector of

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the traditional religion in the Roman

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Empire but all those gods that you

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mentioned we know we're pretty familiar

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with the correspondence with the gods of

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ancient Greece Zeus goes right with

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Jupiter in fact this

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Potter Pantera means father in Roman or

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Latin Zeus Potter or Jupiter the Zeus

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the Father Jove the father corresponds

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directly to Zeus and they were very

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comfortable with this Mars corresponds

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with Ares Venus with Aphrodite and even

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when the Romans would be fighting the

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Germanic peoples of northern Europe you

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can read the accounts there's plenty of

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the texts and surviving accounts where

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they would say oh well they have this

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God who corresponds to our Mars they

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have this God who corresponds to our

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Hercules they had no problem seeing

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around the world that their work around

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their world that the gods of other

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peoples even under different names with

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slightly different clothing or

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characteristics or maybe facial hair and

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you know Odin has a beard whereas

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mercury doesn't or you know some

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slightly different ways of worshipping

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they still perceived well this God

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corresponds to this god and even today

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we have Thursday Thursday in Latin eight

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languages or Romance languages is named

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after Jove waveace in Spanish or

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miércoles Mercury's day that's our

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Wednesday Odin's day really interesting

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that correspondence was understood so

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why did they have to get rid of that

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system or what yeah hold on I mean

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that's that's awesome and I'm with you

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on all that but in there I think is the

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answer the question that you're asking

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the reason that they had to do it they

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didn't have to do it but that whole

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strategy was a co-opting conquer

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strategy right so they weren't

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interested in really assimilating with

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the Germanic people that was just a way

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of budding up to him before they slid

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all their throats right so I mean they

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go in and they say hey you know what

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we're a lot alike

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you got sadder we have Saturn you have

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you know all this kind of stuff so but

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then I mean the the Druids are still

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gonna be slaughtered right so was mass

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extinction of the of the Druids it's not

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like they really risk

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the religion this is a Roman kind of

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deal I mean Romans conquered that's what

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they're good at

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so the the fact that they did the reboot

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for Christianity I understand you don't

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have to go there or you don't go there

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and you don't have to go there but to me

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that seems totally in line with what

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they always did you know it's a kind of

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bait and switch give them this take it

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away

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that's my dad well I mean this is an

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interesting conversation and it's not

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the area that I taught at the college

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level so you know professionals in this

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area might take exception to the

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direction that we take it but I might

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suggest that the Romans had an empire

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that was very successful because they

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did things slightly differently than

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some other empires they were actually

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very simple artistic or syncretic in

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that they would say to the they weren't

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really the cut everyone's throat when we

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conquered you Empire certainly right

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certainly I'm not suggesting they were

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cuddly and friendly they were hardcore

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very effective fighters but they would

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generally say hey we'll set your gods up

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right here next to our gods they weren't

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necessarily evangelistic with their gods

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there like I said they would say oh you

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know well we correspond in with Hercules

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you want to have a with Venus you

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want to have a temple to Isis and

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actually you know the ISIS mysteries

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became a big deal in Rome and that's

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really coming obviously from Egypt so

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it's really Christianity later on under

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in the time of what you're talking about

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the feudal system that was set up after

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Rome quote/unquote fell we could talk

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about that too it was actually more

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convenient for these large families that

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now had lots of land to say hey let's

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get rid of these pesky Emperor's because

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Emperor's are a pain they're constantly

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overthrowing one another and causing

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havoc and having all these intrigues and

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this Emperor March of this one want to

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be Emperor marches in gathers up a bunch

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of troops marches in to attack the

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existing Emperor and it just messes up

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our economy let's get rid of that

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Emperor and we can have a much more

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lucrative system of collecting rents off

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all this land that we've got so okay so

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I think that did happen we could you

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know I don't want to get too bogged down

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in it but I don't want to get bogged

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down and either because I took us there

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but I made a note I mean this is a

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future Skeptical episode because I've

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had this floating around and you know

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certainly I had Joseph that well on the

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show a couple times and he feels like

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he's got this wired and that's exactly

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the way it is but there's another guest

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out there I'm not gonna reveal who it is

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I think really has this wired as well

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and that's great everything everything

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you said was great it but it is kind of

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a little bit off topic for all the

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amazing stuff that you have so I'm gonna

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back off here and this is the skeptical

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jeopardy board and you should pick where

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we go next David great well why don't we

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just before we pick will keep the

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listeners in its to suspense for just a

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second and there was another thing you

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said about academia having a hard time

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getting their arms around us I forget

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exactly how you phrased it but really I

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think it's in line with the skeptical

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mission statement of exploring paradigms

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how do paradigms change you know when

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when you say Oh David has written so

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much has written so may I written really

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over 5,000 pages of books that you say

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it should be just proven now some people

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might say but wait a minute how many

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pages of peer-reviewed papers has David

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published and then I'll tell you I've

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sent in some academic style papers I

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know how to write an academic style

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paper and I politely told this isn't

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very interesting or this doesn't exactly

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fit or this is and I'm like what do you

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mean it doesn't exactly fit this is

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right in your wheelhouse but the problem

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is if it is outside of the existing

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paradigm or if it threatens the existing

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paradigm then it's going to meet with

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resistance not necessarily

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conspiratorial resistance either but you

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know there are institutional types of

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resistance or if I'm a

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I've worked my way up through academia

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through all these hurdles that I have to

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go through and now I'm a tenure and a

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nearly tenured professor / if I start

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talking about a paradigm that's as there

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seems to be a similar thing or even a

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common man system being operated in

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ancient Egypt and the sacred stories of

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Australia sacred stories of North

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America or even sacred stories of the

547
00:24:53,549 --> 00:24:50,740
Norse that causes problems if I were to

548
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:53,559
show maybe connections between the stars

549
00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:55,510
and the Greek myths and stay within that

550
00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:58,299
system that might have some interest but

551
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:00,460
the minute you say this appears to be a

552
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:04,600
worldwide system that extends to explode

553
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:07,990
the existing paradigm and and what

554
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:09,910
happens with paradigm paradigm shift

555
00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:11,740
over time we know this in science we can

556
00:25:17,549 --> 00:25:14,380
see that say plate tectonics introduced

557
00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:17,559
in 1906 by Alfred Wegener was ridiculed

558
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:19,960
and people said there's no way that the

559
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:22,330
the continental the floors underneath

560
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:24,520
the sea can let those continents move

561
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:26,230
around because there are all solid well

562
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:28,330
after world war ii with increasing

563
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:31,450
technology and submarine sensing they

564
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:33,100
said whoa look at all these ridges on

565
00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:34,330
the bottom of the ocean maybe this

566
00:25:40,409 --> 00:25:37,540
theory finally a 60s and 70s it began to

567
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:40,419
be it began to be accepted and what I

568
00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:42,370
would say about a paradigm is it will

569
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:45,429
explain usually a lot of things but

570
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:47,710
there's always this like outlier I call

571
00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:49,750
it the little bag of parts this is a

572
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,940
metaphor if you've ever taken apart an

573
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,440
engine or tried to fix something in your

574
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,880
car engine and you put it all back

575
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,620
together and get a little ziploc bag

576
00:26:00,480 --> 00:25:58,480
full of nuts and bolts that are left

577
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:00,490
over you know you didn't put it back

578
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,640
together exactly right yeah whoops where

579
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:05,919
how did all these things fit in there

580
00:26:10,289 --> 00:26:07,240
well there are these are like the

581
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:10,299
anomalous evidence that shows that the

582
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:12,760
paradigm is not put together completely

583
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,230
right and eventually someone will come

584
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:15,760
along and say you know if we put it

585
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:18,190
together this way all those bolts would

586
00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:19,929
fall into place all that anomalous

587
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,549
evidence would fall into place and this

588
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:23,440
happens over and over I would argue in

589
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:26,110
the world of paradigms right I'm the

590
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:27,700
paradigm thing I mean that's that's all

591
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:31,120
good and we got 250 shows but I wasn't

592
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:32,470
that I wasn't I would just I would

593
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:34,390
disagree on a couple of fronts I mean

594
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:35,370
number one

595
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,990
the the the fact that there's the

596
00:26:42,499 --> 00:26:39,659
paradigm change and it changes one

597
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:42,509
funeral at a time is true in one sense

598
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:44,970
another sense there's an organized

599
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:47,970
systematic effort on the part of certain

600
00:26:50,539 --> 00:26:49,289
individuals and their different groups

601
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,549
for different things whether it's

602
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,679
medicine you know they don't want the

603
00:26:57,619 --> 00:26:54,360
paradigm to change those economic

604
00:26:59,749 --> 00:26:57,629
interests often involved in this so it's

605
00:27:02,299 --> 00:26:59,759
not like it's a fair game it's not like

606
00:27:05,889 --> 00:27:02,309
everyone's trying to do their best out

607
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:05,899
there and it's just you know oh I'm so

608
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:08,100
my ego of my thing

609
00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:10,289
no it's organized controlled and

610
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:13,590
systematic and regard to with regard to

611
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,840
this latest thing I mean what amazes me

612
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:20,700
and what has happened over and over

613
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:22,110
again just on the recent episodes of

614
00:27:26,419 --> 00:27:24,119
skeptic oh I'll have guests on and

615
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:26,429
they're fantastic yes and they've done

616
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:28,470
all this research but you got to do this

617
00:27:32,649 --> 00:27:30,690
silly double-talk kind of thing you got

618
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:32,659
to say you know you've done great

619
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:35,159
considering you've been in academia for

620
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:38,039
30 years and you got a hold of some

621
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:40,830
line I mean last guest I had on

622
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:43,289
gregory shushan you know same kind of

623
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,730
thing super but you know he's got to be

624
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,200
very careful he's got to talk in this

625
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,659
you know consider we have to consider

626
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,970
the postmodernist that no experience

627
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:52,320
matters like now we don't

628
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,419
it's totally freaking absurd no one in

629
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,240
the right mind would would wrap their

630
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:00,360
head around these crazy ideas worths

631
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,059
I talked to you before that in

632
00:28:07,489 --> 00:28:05,580
anthropology same kind of thing I have

633
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,499
to carefully tread so carefully so I

634
00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:10,799
don't even like to it's it's a ok this

635
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:13,590
forced we have this false equality when

636
00:28:20,509 --> 00:28:16,710
we say oh well you know we have to kind

637
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:20,519
of give equal time to the consideration

638
00:28:25,129 --> 00:28:23,490
of these nitwits who won't let go of

639
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:25,139
their theory I don't want to go there

640
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,809
okay I hear you

641
00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:29,940
frustration there and I'm not trying I'm

642
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:31,799
not in academia so I'm not trying to not

643
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:33,929
step on anyone's toes I'm quite critical

644
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:37,200
but I would say there is there's room to

645
00:28:42,739 --> 00:28:40,110
say there is probably venality at work

646
00:28:44,299 --> 00:28:42,749
in some cases venal Denali what I was

647
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:44,309
just describing and are people who

648
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:46,110
they're I don't want my job to be

649
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:48,610
threatened and then there

650
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:52,090
is also I would I would certainly grant

651
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:54,250
you I'm certainly not shying away from

652
00:28:59,549 --> 00:28:56,289
the explanation of there's also

653
00:29:02,519 --> 00:28:59,559
conspiracy or conspiratorial interests

654
00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:02,529
at work power interests economic

655
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:04,360
interest big-time power and economic

656
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,769
interest don't all the way back to what

657
00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:07,840
we talked about with the Roman so I'm

658
00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:09,820
glad we touched on the Roman because

659
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:12,100
that gave the that gave shape to the

660
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:14,200
Western basically the Western Roman

661
00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:17,260
Empire gave shape to Western Europe with

662
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:20,019
which was controlled by large land

663
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:21,340
holding families calling themselves

664
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:24,340
Noble or aristocrat meaning I'm better

665
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:27,850
and the church and those two were

666
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:30,070
basically a revolving door back and

667
00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:31,510
forth between those two and they're

668
00:29:36,259 --> 00:29:33,460
controlled everything and that's really

669
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:36,269
if you want to get into the left-right

670
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,320
split came out of France and the

671
00:29:48,509 --> 00:29:44,799
Enlightenment attempts to try to hey

672
00:29:50,639 --> 00:29:48,519
let's try and improve on this feudal

673
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:50,649
system let's get let's get rid of this

674
00:29:55,289 --> 00:29:53,470
collect rent for just basically sitting

675
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:55,299
back and hey I wonder wonder how much

676
00:29:59,759 --> 00:29:57,610
rent rolled in today from my lands I I

677
00:30:04,139 --> 00:29:59,769
need to go hunting I will see what the

678
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:04,149
peasants send me today and and getting

679
00:30:09,899 --> 00:30:07,750
rid of that rent collecting system is

680
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:09,909
still a struggle that's going on today

681
00:30:15,149 --> 00:30:13,210
so hold on I mean back to what we're

682
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,159
talking about here in terms of academia

683
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:17,830
kind of throwing the holy water on your

684
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:20,169
work well why that's never going to

685
00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:22,630
happen and and I'd go further I here I

686
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:24,789
am I think I'm kind of defending your

687
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:26,529
position which I don't know how we got

688
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:28,690
switched in roles here but like you said

689
00:30:34,649 --> 00:30:31,870
earlier I mean there is no there is no

690
00:30:38,669 --> 00:30:34,659
reasonable explanation on one hand if

691
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:38,679
you go to a anthropology there's no one

692
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:40,870
who would say yeah those ancient

693
00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:43,090
Polynesians and the Mayans and the

694
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:45,820
Romans and the Africans and the Norse

695
00:30:54,299 --> 00:30:49,960
they all created these myths this way no

696
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,309
one says that right so there isn't some

697
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:56,320
when you say oh well maybe you know

698
00:30:59,610 --> 00:30:57,520
let's give them the benefit of the doubt

699
00:31:01,710 --> 00:30:59,620
maybe it says no let's not give them the

700
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:01,720
benefit yeah based on everything they've

701
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:02,260
publish

702
00:31:06,539 --> 00:31:04,270
based on what they've said there's no

703
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:06,549
way to explain the universality of these

704
00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:08,770
star nests so the fact that they don't

705
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:11,860
is we don't know how much of it is just

706
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,590
ego people holding on to their jobs in

707
00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:17,200
their work or how much of it is the the

708
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:20,020
remnants of hey you know that's kind of

709
00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:21,520
we don't want to get into that esoteric

710
00:31:25,169 --> 00:31:23,260
wisdom because it opens up a big can of

711
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:25,179
worms but we don't know which of those

712
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:26,950
two it is but we know it's one of those

713
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:29,500
two we know there isn't any reasonable

714
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:31,660
explanation on their part they can't

715
00:31:36,299 --> 00:31:33,400
invent something new to fill that gap

716
00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:36,309
right right so this is great and we're

717
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:38,380
not I don't think we're arguing against

718
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:40,360
each other I think we're building the

719
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:43,450
point up from from the friction of our

720
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,010
conversation of our minds working on

721
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:46,480
this question so I would say number one

722
00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:50,410
my work certainly threatens the

723
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:53,830
literalist Christian paradigm because it

724
00:31:57,810 --> 00:31:55,570
shows that you know what I said about

725
00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:57,820
the characters and events of the myths

726
00:32:02,280 --> 00:31:59,530
of the world being based on the stars

727
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:02,290
can be shown with overwhelming amounts

728
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:03,910
of evidence for the characters and

729
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:08,350
events in the Bible which has been even

730
00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:11,080
up to a couple hundred years ago it was

731
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:14,260
actually dominated academia to where you

732
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:16,750
couldn't you couldn't argue against

733
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:20,169
let's say the flood as as described in

734
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:22,360
the Bible or the age of the earth and so

735
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:24,730
there's a tremendous backlash that

736
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:26,770
happened against that within academia

737
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:30,220
but anyway this this threatens that but

738
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:32,049
it also threatened so you said well

739
00:32:36,570 --> 00:32:33,640
there's bill there's nobody talking

740
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:36,580
about all this because there's really no

741
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:38,350
way to explain it within their current

742
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:40,540
paradigm there are other ways to explain

743
00:32:43,409 --> 00:32:41,679
and we're gonna explore some of those

744
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:43,419
you could explain it by wall it could be

745
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:45,309
some kind of collective unconscious

746
00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:46,750
that's what Jung said or some kind of

747
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:49,540
psychic connection or it could be that

748
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:51,460
still that's totally off the table right

749
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:53,710
that's off the table because it's we

750
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:55,030
have a materialistic science that

751
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:57,640
doesn't acknowledge that so except for

752
00:33:00,539 --> 00:32:59,110
the hammer you on this I'm gonna help me

753
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,549
on this because you're going to go far

754
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:02,080
afield with all these different

755
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:04,450
explanations it's I get into this all

756
00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:07,330
the time with with other stuff inside

757
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:09,549
the paradigm there's no way to explain

758
00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:12,820
this period why do we have to try and

759
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:15,669
let them back in the door well here's

760
00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:16,090
what

761
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:19,180
let me go back to my engine being put

762
00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:21,910
back together wrong metaphor what I'm

763
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:23,680
throwing what I'm holding up is not just

764
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:25,930
a little bag of nuts and bolts I'm

765
00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:28,150
holding up things like here's a

766
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:31,000
crankshaft how do you you forgot this

767
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:33,970
and they're like yeah but my paradigm is

768
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:36,400
working and I'm like yeah you're firing

769
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,490
on three cylinders out of eight and it

770
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,440
sounds awful and it gets terrible gas

771
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:43,120
mileage and they're like don't mess with

772
00:33:47,550 --> 00:33:45,490
my engine I'm moving forward down the

773
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:47,560
road and I'm like you're on three

774
00:33:53,010 --> 00:33:50,200
cylinders and gobekli tepe is another

775
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:53,020
giant like drive shaft or a flywheel

776
00:33:58,830 --> 00:33:54,730
that's been left left off gobekli tepe

777
00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:58,840
is six thousand years at least there are

778
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:01,410
two earliest dynastic Egypt and it's

779
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:05,110
beautifully precise stones aligned with

780
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:07,180
celestial alignments by the way that

781
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:10,030
throws a problem into the paradigm but

782
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:13,150
what I'm discovering it doesn't throw

783
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:14,740
them into what I'm discovering at all

784
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,170
because you could say well possibly the

785
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:20,320
reason why this is dispersed all around

786
00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:23,220
the world is there's some very ancient

787
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:25,600
civilizations or cultures that far

788
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:28,300
predate Mesopotamia ancient Mesopotamia

789
00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:32,050
and Sumer far predate Egypt far predate

790
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:35,140
ancient India because all those cultures

791
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:37,060
are already using this system they must

792
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:38,350
have come from something much more

793
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:40,170
ancient nobody wants to consider

794
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:42,280
something much more ancient that could

795
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:44,830
also be advanced so they said no wait a

796
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:46,510
minute that was only primitive humans or

797
00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:48,460
early humans they call them that'll mess

798
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:50,590
up all our textbooks that show we

799
00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:52,530
basically lived in caves or we were

800
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,900
pastoral or we were hunter-gatherers and

801
00:34:59,310 --> 00:34:58,000
then poof Egypt and Mesopotamia just

802
00:35:01,800 --> 00:34:59,320
spring out of the ground out of nowhere

803
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:01,810
and they would say well dad you or your

804
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:04,510
your obviously your you're exaggerating

805
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:06,550
not a little bit but basically they say

806
00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:09,430
that yeah we just all of a sudden those

807
00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:11,860
cultures received what they had from

808
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,600
somewhere probably far in the past and

809
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:18,160
that would help explain what's going on

810
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:19,720
around the world but that's also outside

811
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:21,340
the paradigm but the paradigm is going

812
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:23,410
to have to change because gobekli tepe

813
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:27,250
kind of recently late 90s early 2000s

814
00:35:31,049 --> 00:35:29,650
through a giant crankshaft into it like

815
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:31,059
hey how are you gonna explain this and

816
00:35:36,059 --> 00:35:33,609
they and so far the paradigm the

817
00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:36,069
existing paradigm cannot incorporate it

818
00:35:39,569 --> 00:35:38,319
and then just in paradigm has a problem

819
00:35:42,299 --> 00:35:39,579
with what I'm talking about too and

820
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:42,309
that's why it's almost like when

821
00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:44,490
somebody's paradigm is threatened

822
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,809
there's like blindness that actually

823
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:49,119
sets in if your wife is cheating on you

824
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,730
and it will take over your whole world

825
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:53,680
your gut is going to know it before your

826
00:35:58,769 --> 00:35:56,170
mind admits it you're gonna actually be

827
00:36:01,259 --> 00:35:58,779
blind to the evidence while your gut is

828
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:01,269
like I know something's going on and

829
00:36:04,589 --> 00:36:03,430
your mind is like I'm not gonna look I'm

830
00:36:06,779 --> 00:36:04,599
not going to look over there I'm not

831
00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:06,789
going to look over there so and I would

832
00:36:10,529 --> 00:36:08,109
say that when you're talking about

833
00:36:12,089 --> 00:36:10,539
conspiracy that's going on in the United

834
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,099
States right now there's all kinds of

835
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:14,079
evidence that people don't even want to

836
00:36:17,849 --> 00:36:14,680
look at

837
00:36:21,299 --> 00:36:17,859
well let's always always been the case

838
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:21,309
gotta move on next story let's go to

839
00:36:29,549 --> 00:36:26,400
authentic self let's take self for 300

840
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:29,559
ok 300 that's very conservative but I'd

841
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:33,130
like the pig alright so what I would

842
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:37,210
argue people might say man I I think I

843
00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:39,130
understand what he's saying that all the

844
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:40,749
myths are based on the stars but why

845
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:42,460
would they do that and why would

846
00:36:47,249 --> 00:36:45,220
somebody want to get rid of that I mean

847
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:47,259
I don't usually emphasize the

848
00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:49,930
conspiratorial part too much but what I

849
00:36:55,859 --> 00:36:54,099
would argue is that the ancient wisdom

850
00:36:57,989 --> 00:36:55,869
that has given to the world that is

851
00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:57,999
given to virtually every culture on the

852
00:37:03,150 --> 00:36:59,980
planet like I said when I say I've

853
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:03,160
written 5,000 pages are not bragging I'm

854
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:05,339
saying there's so much evidence there

855
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:08,200
that it's almost it's almost hard to

856
00:37:12,569 --> 00:37:10,420
write a short book about it my most

857
00:37:14,549 --> 00:37:12,579
recent book is 900 pages I don't you

858
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,559
know it's not really the way you market

859
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:16,480
a book but I wanted to show it all in

860
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:18,220
one place but when I say I've written

861
00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:20,410
five thousand pages the next sentence is

862
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:22,420
and I've only barely scratched the

863
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:24,700
surface only barely scratch the surface

864
00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:26,049
there's plenty of cultures I haven't

865
00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:28,299
even gotten to there's plenty of stuff

866
00:37:33,809 --> 00:37:31,109
in one culture that could make ten books

867
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,819
even one book of the Bible I could write

868
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:36,400
a series just on the stories in Genesis

869
00:37:41,729 --> 00:37:38,710
in the connection to the stars let alone

870
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:41,739
the Mahabharat of ancient India which is

871
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:43,390
like seven times long

872
00:37:46,589 --> 00:37:44,890
in the Odyssey and the only had combined

873
00:37:48,059 --> 00:37:46,599
and it's all based on the Stars I would

874
00:37:50,609 --> 00:37:48,069
argue and I've shown some of those

875
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:50,619
connections so when I say 5000 pages and

876
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:52,140
it's only scratched the surface

877
00:38:01,289 --> 00:37:56,470
it's what I'm saying is every culture

878
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:01,299
has this ancient wisdom what was it

879
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:03,390
doing and why was it based on the Stars

880
00:38:09,779 --> 00:38:08,260
well at this point I've got some

881
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:09,789
suggestions I'm not going to be dogmatic

882
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:13,720
I can be dogmatic about the evidence and

883
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:16,329
say look this constellation is clearly

884
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:18,250
lining up with this and this and this

885
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:20,920
what it means now we're getting into a

886
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:23,529
little bit more of my interpretation but

887
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:25,150
after studying it for 10 years pretty

888
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:27,460
intensively I would argue that one of

889
00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:31,839
the things that's doing is conveying to

890
00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:37,059
us messages in an esoteric way like mr.

891
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:40,589
Miyagi taught Danielson and conveying

892
00:38:45,299 --> 00:38:43,210
profound messages to us like mr. Miyagi

893
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,309
taught daniel-san with wax on wax off

894
00:38:49,769 --> 00:38:48,160
something that seemed totally different

895
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:49,779
from what he was actually teaching in

896
00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:52,089
was karate mr. Miyagi wasn't trying to

897
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:54,549
hide karate from daniel-san he was

898
00:39:00,210 --> 00:38:56,410
trying to explain karate to daniel-san

899
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:00,220
but it involved some things that were

900
00:39:06,990 --> 00:39:04,750
profound that were invisible so to speak

901
00:39:10,769 --> 00:39:07,000
hard to grasp and by the way daniel-san

902
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,779
also came from he wasn't a very trusting

903
00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:13,119
individual because he'd been he he was a

904
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:15,460
very doubting individual and he'd been

905
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:18,190
burned a lot he was I might even argue

906
00:39:23,999 --> 00:39:20,470
traumatized and isolated from who he

907
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,009
really was and but did the natural

908
00:39:29,339 --> 00:39:26,079
question that rises up this yeah who

909
00:39:32,099 --> 00:39:29,349
would do this yeah why would they do it

910
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,109
in that way right right because because

911
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:34,240
hold on because you talk about this I've

912
00:39:39,539 --> 00:39:37,480
heard so many interviews with you and we

913
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:39,549
did an interview before and it seems

914
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:41,140
like we get up to this point and we talk

915
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:43,170
about all this great stuff and

916
00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:45,460
reintegrating with yourself and the

917
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:47,980
twins and isn't that this which

918
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,500
fantastic stuff I'm all into that beside

919
00:39:57,329 --> 00:39:53,680
me and that's me man been a spiritual

920
00:40:00,089 --> 00:39:57,339
seeker but what you're saying

921
00:40:02,969 --> 00:40:00,099
begs these questions of who would do

922
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:02,979
this in such a manner as this because if

923
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:06,640
we accept your 5000 pages then there was

924
00:40:12,749 --> 00:40:09,640
a this is like a very human kind of

925
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:12,759
teaching you know this allegory with

926
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,430
look at the stars when you look up here

927
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:18,420
remember this story and then this story

928
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:22,089
you should apply it this way that's not

929
00:40:28,499 --> 00:40:26,049
a thunderbolt near-death experience

930
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:28,509
voice of God kind of stuff that's your

931
00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:31,660
second grade teacher kind of stuff who

932
00:40:39,059 --> 00:40:35,380
did this and why did they feel that was

933
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,069
important to teach in this way this kind

934
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:41,400
of perennial wisdom yeah good

935
00:40:48,539 --> 00:40:46,180
obviously it was quote-unquote a kung-fu

936
00:40:50,459 --> 00:40:48,549
master but not a kung-fu master but it's

937
00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:50,469
like mr. Murat you had mr. Miyagi had to

938
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,140
be a master he already had to be he had

939
00:40:57,779 --> 00:40:55,599
to have karate or kung fu or whatever he

940
00:40:59,219 --> 00:40:57,789
was teaching in his bones to such a

941
00:41:01,709 --> 00:40:59,229
degree that he could say well how can I

942
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:01,719
teach this to this guy I'll invent wax

943
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,700
on wax off you already had to know

944
00:41:11,309 --> 00:41:08,319
profound things to come up with this

945
00:41:13,499 --> 00:41:11,319
system let me just say that now when you

946
00:41:14,099 --> 00:41:13,509
say it's like second grade stuff yeah

947
00:41:16,469 --> 00:41:14,109
maybe it is

948
00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:16,479
maybe a lot of our problems started in

949
00:41:22,109 --> 00:41:19,989
our second grade age or earlier because

950
00:41:23,969 --> 00:41:22,119
look given that's a given I'm just I

951
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:23,979
don't want to get off on that thing I'm

952
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:26,170
just saying in terms of these are not

953
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:29,710
like you know quantum physics kind of

954
00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:31,569
stuff this is kind of basic kind of

955
00:41:36,779 --> 00:41:33,969
stuff so keep keep going but I want you

956
00:41:38,759 --> 00:41:36,789
also get what you know mr. Miyagi is

957
00:41:41,279 --> 00:41:38,769
visiting all that you know you gotta

958
00:41:45,089 --> 00:41:41,289
bring it back to the to the profundity

959
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:45,099
of the totally busting the paradigm and

960
00:41:48,959 --> 00:41:47,410
the crankshaft and thousands of

961
00:41:50,849 --> 00:41:48,969
researchers are the round the world who

962
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:50,859
don't get it I mean make that connection

963
00:41:55,289 --> 00:41:52,930
how do you have mr. Miyagi go into all

964
00:41:58,829 --> 00:41:55,299
these different places right so like I

965
00:42:01,079 --> 00:41:58,839
said before I don't actually believe

966
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:01,089
that you have to have a mr. Miyagi

967
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:05,680
figure or Quetzalcoatl figure moving

968
00:42:14,349 --> 00:42:09,150
from continent to continent distributing

969
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,359
the same system it could also be from a

970
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,160
very ancient civilization or ancient

971
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,720
culture it could have been worldwide

972
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,420
could have been in one area we don't

973
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,700
know that was wiped out or nearly wiped

974
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:25,740
out by a cataclysm and there's plenty of

975
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:28,650
evidence on our planet for cataclysms

976
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:30,750
whether there are solar flares like

977
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:33,150
Professor Robert Schoch our use for

978
00:42:37,279 --> 00:42:34,890
solar activity could actually make the

979
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:37,289
whole ground radioactive for decades

980
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,430
where people have to actually live

981
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:40,500
underground could have been some kind of

982
00:42:45,529 --> 00:42:43,049
impact from some sort of object in outer

983
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:45,539
space like Graham Hancock and Randall

984
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:46,859
Carlson have been talking a lot about

985
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:50,940
recently that caused the remnants of

986
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:54,210
that Cataclysm who had their memory of

987
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,630
all this very profound and advanced and

988
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:59,339
maybe they were also technologically

989
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,079
advanced I mean we see all these giant

990
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:03,180
stones all around the world and then

991
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:06,089
they they had to basically live

992
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:07,710
underground for a long time and then

993
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:09,720
they repopulated or spread around and

994
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,940
over the thousands of years the stories

995
00:43:16,099 --> 00:43:14,160
changed in different climates like you

996
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:16,109
said the Norse myths have a very

997
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,400
different feel from the myths of the

998
00:43:20,779 --> 00:43:19,079
Pacific for the myths of ancient India

999
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:20,789
and they're living in a very different

1000
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:22,170
climate that's probably the reason why

1001
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,670
but they had a different culture and

1002
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:25,920
different landscape that they were in

1003
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,569
and different so their gods took on a

1004
00:43:31,789 --> 00:43:29,520
different flavor but an explanation

1005
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:31,799
could be instead of someone going around

1006
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:34,619
horizontally traveling in a boat across

1007
00:43:38,359 --> 00:43:36,510
the oceans that they all descend like

1008
00:43:40,339 --> 00:43:38,369
from a tree from some ancient

1009
00:43:42,799 --> 00:43:40,349
predecessor source that's now forgotten

1010
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,809
and that potentially was wiped out or

1011
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:44,160
nearly wiped out by some kind of

1012
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:46,670
Cataclysm but let me also go back to

1013
00:43:51,049 --> 00:43:48,930
your point about well this is simple

1014
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:51,059
second-grade stuff I would say look this

1015
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,690
is profound mastery stuff let me just

1016
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:56,940
say we're living in a culture that is

1017
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,190
severely traumatized so we haven't got

1018
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:01,920
this figured out if we've got millions

1019
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:05,220
of people dying from addiction that's

1020
00:44:09,859 --> 00:44:06,660
because you're separated from your

1021
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,869
authentic self is what the psychologists

1022
00:44:15,769 --> 00:44:12,480
and psychiatrists like dr. Gabor maté a

1023
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:15,779
dr. Peter Levine say look I dealt with

1024
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:19,410
addicts in downtown East Vancouver for

1025
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:21,569
decades and I never met one single

1026
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:22,370
addict

1027
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:24,890
whoo it wasn't traumatized as a child I

1028
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:26,840
never met one single female who came

1029
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,670
into my clinic who wasn't actually

1030
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:31,040
sexually abused as a child

1031
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:36,140
so trauma the the the modern definition

1032
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:38,410
of psychological trauma is actually

1033
00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:40,610
separation from your authentic self and

1034
00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:42,080
maybe some people are tuning out and

1035
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:44,600
saying or just a minute I wasn't

1036
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:47,390
traumatized the society we have that

1037
00:44:52,090 --> 00:44:49,850
came from that society that stamped out

1038
00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:52,100
all this ancient wisdom is a society

1039
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:53,780
that traumatizes you whether it's on

1040
00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:56,690
purpose conspiratorial or just the way

1041
00:45:03,670 --> 00:44:59,480
it got set up it traumatizes people and

1042
00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:03,680
even if you didn't experience I would

1043
00:45:07,090 --> 00:45:05,360
say almost everybody experiences trauma

1044
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:07,100
but if the ancient myths are talking

1045
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:08,780
about reconnecting with your authentic

1046
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:11,570
self then it must be even part of the

1047
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:13,910
human condition that we lose connection

1048
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:16,010
with our authentic self and I would say

1049
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:18,050
that's not that be great if you learn

1050
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:19,460
how to connect with your authentic self

1051
00:45:23,830 --> 00:45:21,560
as a second grader but I would say there

1052
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:23,840
are CEOs of corporations successful

1053
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:26,450
billionaires who get paid you know 300

1054
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:28,190
million dollars a year who are separated

1055
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:30,350
from our authentic self so this isn't a

1056
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:32,540
small problem this is a huge issue

1057
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:34,940
that's why people take yoga or get into

1058
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:36,770
meditation because they're trying to

1059
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:38,330
find their authentic self and I would

1060
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,730
say that myths are part of that ancient

1061
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:43,280
system to point us on how to reconnect

1062
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:44,840
where they're authentic self so it's

1063
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:47,150
like a huge issue and it'd be great if

1064
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:49,490
you learned it by second grade but a big

1065
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:50,750
part of the problem is we're all still

1066
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:52,490
struggling with that that's what I would

1067
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:57,770
says how's that does that I mean like we

1068
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:00,080
can get it alive I'm all about authentic

1069
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:02,150
self okay I'm all about reconnecting

1070
00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:05,660
with my authentic self I'm all about the

1071
00:46:11,710 --> 00:46:07,700
non-dual path which is the authentic

1072
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:11,720
self in yoga right so it's like there is

1073
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:13,970
the you and then there's the outside the

1074
00:46:23,110 --> 00:46:19,070
doer and you are not that but this is my

1075
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:23,120
personal kind of 24/7 spiritual path

1076
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:25,670
kind of thing what what interests me and

1077
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:28,610
is challenging to me as well is that we

1078
00:46:33,580 --> 00:46:30,710
have to connect that with the the world

1079
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:33,590
that we live in one thing I thought was

1080
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:36,290
interesting about the traumatization is

1081
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:40,610
we live in will you are part of your

1082
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:42,770
culture from the beginning and I mean

1083
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:44,570
you're gonna have to deconstruct that in

1084
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:46,370
a way that we can understand it but you

1085
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:49,220
were in the military you served and then

1086
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:52,700
you taught and there is an ultimate

1087
00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:54,530
truth to what I have up on the screen

1088
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,300
you want me on that wall you need me on

1089
00:47:01,120 --> 00:46:58,160
that wall is real right

1090
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:01,130
so one that's real is that I live in my

1091
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:04,010
phony baloney lifestyle because someone

1092
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:05,990
else has taken care of that messy

1093
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:09,290
killing people around the world to

1094
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,270
quote-unquote keep me safe and if I

1095
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,520
don't like that and I don't like the way

1096
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:15,200
they're doing that then I can do it a

1097
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,670
different way but history isn't very

1098
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:18,800
kind to people who aren't aggressively

1099
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:22,310
protecting their right to exist moreover

1100
00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:25,190
when you talk about trauma forget that

1101
00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:27,500
for a second and take about the what

1102
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:31,060
I've heard people say we live by the

1103
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:34,880
descendants of people who engaged in

1104
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,910
hand-to-hand combat and murder on a mass

1105
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:38,720
scale

1106
00:47:45,490 --> 00:47:43,070
they were the winners right so whether

1107
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:45,500
it's the Vikings that came in there and

1108
00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:49,310
just mass killed everybody or Genghis

1109
00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:52,580
Khan who you know every or the Romans

1110
00:47:57,610 --> 00:47:55,190
you know behead that at ten heads and

1111
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:57,620
leave one a lot I mean we are the

1112
00:48:02,020 --> 00:47:59,240
descendants of these mass murders so

1113
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:02,030
there's there's enough trauma there so

1114
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:04,970
I'm just not comfortable with quickly

1115
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:07,310
putting all the pieces together because

1116
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,850
of the Gemini constellation it has some

1117
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:13,280
esoteric wisdom that we all should have

1118
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:17,020
gotten on from the beginning okay

1119
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:19,850
interesting lots of lots of stuff to

1120
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:21,620
dive into so let me talk about you

1121
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:25,670
talked you talked about we're all in

1122
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:28,130
society and therefore you know we all

1123
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:31,550
get a bunch of stuff laid on us whether

1124
00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:33,770
you went into that particular part of

1125
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:36,020
society like the military yeah I

1126
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:39,290
graduated from West Point and they use

1127
00:48:45,970 --> 00:48:43,670
some they use some stress based stress

1128
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:45,980
based training during the beast barracks

1129
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:48,170
and fleet year and

1130
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:49,730
I could we could spend the rest of the

1131
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:51,410
time talking about funny quote unquote

1132
00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:53,780
funny stories of stuff that they do to

1133
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:55,400
you when they're screaming in your face

1134
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:57,890
I graduated from Ranger School I

1135
00:49:01,780 --> 00:48:59,660
graduated from Airborne School I

1136
00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:01,790
graduated from the 82nd airborne as

1137
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:04,819
jumpmaster school that's a particular

1138
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:07,970
part of society that lays a grid on your

1139
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:12,369
brain even more heavily maybe that other

1140
00:49:17,289 --> 00:49:14,690
societal pursuits that people could

1141
00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:17,299
engage in but the connection with

1142
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:20,869
society is part of what separates us

1143
00:49:24,970 --> 00:49:22,430
from an authentic self and our goal all

1144
00:49:26,859 --> 00:49:24,980
the way back to the very earliest record

1145
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:26,869
very earliest human record that we have

1146
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:30,710
is the Gilgamesh well the Mesopotamian

1147
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:32,210
clay tablets that were found in the

1148
00:49:36,819 --> 00:49:34,670
library of Ashurbanipal contained that

1149
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:36,829
Gilgamesh Gilgamesh epic and in there

1150
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:40,730
you've got Enkidu and Gilgamesh who are

1151
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:44,180
almost twins but Enkidu is this wild man

1152
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,910
he lives out in nature among the animals

1153
00:49:51,309 --> 00:49:49,359
he was naked he's covered with hair and

1154
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:51,319
Gilgamesh is the king and he's

1155
00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:54,980
two-thirds divine and Enkidu lives among

1156
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:56,329
the wild animals and he's connected with

1157
00:50:02,650 --> 00:49:58,609
the wild animals until he gets entangled

1158
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,660
with society and the first part is

1159
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:05,599
through sexual intercourse with the

1160
00:50:09,730 --> 00:50:08,150
temple prostitutes on hoth you see the

1161
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,740
king is approached and said hey there's

1162
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:11,119
a wild man out in the woods and don't

1163
00:50:16,569 --> 00:50:13,609
Ganesh says no problem just take this

1164
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:16,579
beautiful temple prostitutes on pot out

1165
00:50:20,049 --> 00:50:18,710
there once she sleeps with them the

1166
00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:20,059
animals won't want anything to do with

1167
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,500
him in fact he'll get tangled into

1168
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:23,599
society and he'll he'll become one of us

1169
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:25,460
which is exactly what happens and that

1170
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:27,770
myth that most ancient tablet that we

1171
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:31,910
have shows Enkidu after he sleeps with

1172
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:34,490
her he finds the animals run away from

1173
00:50:39,069 --> 00:50:36,290
him he no longer has strength in his

1174
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:39,079
legs to keep up with them but like in

1175
00:50:47,319 --> 00:50:42,710
the Rocky movie Nick says women ruined

1176
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:47,329
legs rock back so that's what happens to

1177
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:49,990
Enkidu he's like hmm I'm not the same

1178
00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:54,290
man I was before but now I'm getting a

1179
00:50:58,809 --> 00:50:56,780
haircut like Samson I'm starting to eat

1180
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:58,819
bread and wine hmm where I've heard that

1181
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:00,380
in other myths before that's the first

1182
00:51:03,569 --> 00:51:01,450
thing that is easy

1183
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:03,579
and some people say well it's bread and

1184
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:05,260
beer doesn't matter it's the same

1185
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:07,030
constellations this is all related to

1186
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:10,320
constellations but what it's showing is

1187
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:13,150
once you're connected with society you

1188
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:16,349
can't go back to the state of nature you

1189
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:19,930
enkidu can't go back to being - you

1190
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,150
can't undo it's like they said after

1191
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:23,920
we've invented the atomic laws not

1192
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:25,990
connecting with ourself connecting with

1193
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:28,150
our authentic self is going back is the

1194
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:30,070
journey back so it's actually a journey

1195
00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:33,160
yes but it's not back to Enkidu doesn't

1196
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:35,740
end up where he was before he meets up

1197
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:37,810
with Gilgamesh and actually I would

1198
00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:40,390
argue that Gilgamesh and Enkidu are not

1199
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:44,109
two people castor and pollux one twin is

1200
00:51:49,859 --> 00:51:46,300
divine one twin is mortal they're not

1201
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:49,869
two people it's like in I've been lately

1202
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:51,790
using the Lord of the Rings Gandalf the

1203
00:51:56,490 --> 00:51:54,520
Grey before he follows with the Balrog

1204
00:51:59,099 --> 00:51:56,500
and Gandalf the light they're not two

1205
00:52:03,000 --> 00:51:59,109
people but he's different afterwards and

1206
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,010
Gilgamesh and Enkidu they become so

1207
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:05,440
close that they're as close as a husband

1208
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,450
and a wife as what it says and modern

1209
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:09,420
academia says oh good we can talk about

1210
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:12,670
homoerotic ancient literature I would

1211
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:14,200
say it's not homoerotic ancient

1212
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:16,750
literature I'm not not saying you can't

1213
00:52:23,069 --> 00:52:19,930
see that in in literature but it's

1214
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:23,079
actually - two sides of one person

1215
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:24,760
that's why the Bible says there's a

1216
00:52:28,589 --> 00:52:27,010
friend that sticketh closer than a

1217
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:28,599
brother it's closer than a brother

1218
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:29,800
because it's in you

1219
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:32,050
you have to refined your authentic self

1220
00:52:38,099 --> 00:52:34,630
in your mind you showed some pictures of

1221
00:52:42,089 --> 00:52:38,109
like Yogananda and meditation your mind

1222
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:42,099
is not you it's part of you it's a tool

1223
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:44,050
but it can run away with you

1224
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:47,380
it can trick you your mind has to be put

1225
00:52:53,069 --> 00:52:50,650
in its place like my dog you know thinks

1226
00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:53,079
it owns the house and when a male man

1227
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,849
comes up with a package my dog thinks he

1228
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:56,079
has to defend the house and I have to

1229
00:52:59,640 --> 00:52:57,880
stay hold on you don't own the whole

1230
00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:59,650
house go sit over there that's what your

1231
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:01,690
mind does your mind is this defense

1232
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:04,990
mechanism that you developed because you

1233
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:07,630
live in society and that defense

1234
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:10,020
mechanism right but you know I could

1235
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:12,670
thousands and thousands of people and

1236
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:14,730
teachers who've spent

1237
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:17,010
millions and millions of hours trying to

1238
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:19,890
instruct people about these very things

1239
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:22,590
you know this is the non-dual path this

1240
00:53:28,099 --> 00:53:25,619
is the the monkey mind sometimes they

1241
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:28,109
call it in India now the problem with

1242
00:53:33,830 --> 00:53:30,570
that is you know we are gonna get really

1243
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:33,840
particular because I do how to pronounce

1244
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:37,890
you are on the path and I am on my own

1245
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:39,930
path we can all only take this path

1246
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:43,050
ourselves so I wouldn't agree with the

1247
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,290
language I don't try in a boss my mind

1248
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,720
around or wrestle with my mind or try

1249
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:50,880
and control my mind I don't think that

1250
00:53:58,099 --> 00:53:54,350
works but that's a particular

1251
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,109
understanding I have of my spiritual

1252
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:00,900
path and how I do it what I'm trying to

1253
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:04,290
really get to is trying to understand

1254
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:07,260
that in relation to what you're talking

1255
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:10,530
about in the star myth so you know David

1256
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:13,310
you don't have to convince me that

1257
00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:17,670
number one the star myth hypothesis is

1258
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:20,070
real you don't have to convince me that

1259
00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:23,790
it's hidden in plain sight from academic

1260
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,100
stick-in-the-muds who this totally blows

1261
00:54:32,890 --> 00:54:28,500
their world away you don't have to

1262
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:32,900
convince me that there is an perennial

1263
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:36,450
esoteric wisdom that talks about

1264
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:40,740
returning to our authentic self what you

1265
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,640
do have to convince me about is late I

1266
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:46,650
got a great I got a great figure let me

1267
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:48,510
fill it up no I've already did that a

1268
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:52,950
lot did it a male Ian's no it's like I

1269
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:54,600
got off on the screen I'm not saying

1270
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,130
it's aliens but it's aliens yep you went

1271
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,960
ahead to a new topic before you let me

1272
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:02,220
address in this stuff you said at the

1273
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,680
start of this where you said I don't

1274
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:06,240
believe you have to boss it around or

1275
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:08,310
that's not how it works for my mind when

1276
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:09,900
did I ever say you have to boss around

1277
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:12,930
okay I said my dog I put him calmly in

1278
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:14,310
his place that's like when you're

1279
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:17,310
meditating look those spiritual teachers

1280
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:20,040
that you're referring to they use my

1281
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:22,410
teacher never taught meditation okay all

1282
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,330
my teachers never taught meditation I

1283
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:25,800
think man is you know what because you

1284
00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:26,460
know what

1285
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:28,200
like so we could get into this whole

1286
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,030
thing like I heard you say I'm yoga I've

1287
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:31,680
done yoga for 35 years right

1288
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:34,050
so I understand I go sit in ice bath six

1289
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:36,270
days a week at 35 degrees temperature to

1290
00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:38,070
remind me that I'm not my mind you know

1291
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:40,230
you have all sorts of disciplines you're

1292
00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:42,540
freaking Ranger you know what I mean you

1293
00:55:46,339 --> 00:55:44,369
understand the kind of things that you

1294
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,349
do but I don't accept that as really

1295
00:55:50,810 --> 00:55:49,440
being part of my path if I was if I was

1296
00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:50,820
better I wouldn't have to sit in that

1297
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,830
frickin ice bath to remind myself but

1298
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:54,599
I'm kind of stupid so I have to go there

1299
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,210
and go oh okay I'm not my body and my

1300
00:56:01,820 --> 00:55:58,920
mind can you amaura way and it doesn't

1301
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:01,830
matter so we're going to talk that whole

1302
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:04,800
discussion is like this you know we

1303
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:06,050
could have a heart-to-heart three-hour

1304
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:08,940
personal discussion about how we have

1305
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:11,070
our own conception of our mind and how

1306
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:14,310
it works so please I okay but before we

1307
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,680
go to aliens I just want to say look and

1308
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,960
I'm not prescribing any one path I'm

1309
00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:21,440
saying in the ancient world had

1310
00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:25,560
meditation it had drumming it had breath

1311
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:27,150
control which I'm sure you do when you

1312
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:30,390
get into the ice bath it had martial

1313
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:33,930
arts and it had nits you don't have to

1314
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:36,510
use you can become you can rediscover

1315
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:38,490
your authentic self by many different

1316
00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:39,960
paths and you don't have to use the

1317
00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:41,670
myths either there's probably plenty of

1318
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,060
masters of men and women who have

1319
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:47,220
recovered their authentic self and never

1320
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,660
used the myth but I'll tell you that

1321
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:51,440
those teachers their yoga teachers like

1322
00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:55,530
the Ashtanga story of Patanjali

1323
00:57:02,660 --> 00:56:59,960
talks about him having serpent coils

1324
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,670
coming down and having coils of a

1325
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,250
serpent serpent like it's mythical it's

1326
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:06,960
actually related to constellations we

1327
00:57:12,140 --> 00:57:09,960
could go into that myth but the the the

1328
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,150
myths don't tell you to yell at your or

1329
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:14,430
order your monkey mind around because

1330
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,780
you're absolutely right it'll just get

1331
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:18,000
stronger if you do if I yell at my dog

1332
00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:21,030
barked at me even worse but it shows

1333
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:23,580
this in pictures like in the

1334
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,359
bhagavad-gita where Arjun and his divine

1335
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:30,420
charioteer Krishna are getting ready to

1336
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,030
go into his battle of kuruksetra Arjun

1337
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:35,040
is seized by doubt and wants to withdraw

1338
00:57:41,779 --> 00:57:39,299
just like doubting Thomas and Jesus or

1339
00:57:44,389 --> 00:57:41,789
like in the story of Eros and Psyche

1340
00:57:46,819 --> 00:57:44,399
psyche has all these doubts and she

1341
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:46,829
loses her connection with arrows in this

1342
00:57:54,259 --> 00:57:52,169
ancient Greek myth and in Thomas Jesus

1343
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:54,269
doesn't restore Thomas by yelling at him

1344
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,859
and saying what a crappy disciple you

1345
00:58:01,309 --> 00:57:58,079
are you're the worst one you are so full

1346
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:01,319
of doubt and and Krishna doesn't know

1347
00:58:05,479 --> 00:58:03,209
her origin from his doubts in the

1348
00:58:07,219 --> 00:58:05,489
Bhagavad Gita by saying you're fired

1349
00:58:08,689 --> 00:58:07,229
Arjun you're not even gonna be in this

1350
00:58:11,449 --> 00:58:08,699
battle I'll handle it

1351
00:58:13,999 --> 00:58:11,459
he restores him the way he restores them

1352
00:58:16,009 --> 00:58:14,009
helps us to understand the relationship

1353
00:58:18,709 --> 00:58:16,019
the proper relationship between our

1354
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:18,719
higher self or our authentic self and

1355
00:58:23,929 --> 00:58:22,380
our egoic mind our egoic mind is full of

1356
00:58:26,749 --> 00:58:23,939
doubts because it's racing ahead into

1357
00:58:28,299 --> 00:58:26,759
the future or into the past and going

1358
00:58:31,009 --> 00:58:28,309
all over the place you know our

1359
00:58:33,949 --> 00:58:31,019
authentic self is just who we really are

1360
00:58:37,249 --> 00:58:33,959
it's our essence it's a your now mind

1361
00:58:39,249 --> 00:58:37,259
right it's the and so what I'm saying is

1362
00:58:42,409 --> 00:58:39,259
the myths show that in pictures and

1363
00:58:47,089 --> 00:58:42,419
extremely helpful show that in pictures

1364
00:58:50,209 --> 00:58:47,099
I don't disagree with some people some

1365
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:50,219
people relate to miss I relate to this

1366
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:53,130
in very simple logical terms you are not

1367
00:58:57,649 --> 00:58:55,619
what you observe anything you observe

1368
00:59:00,859 --> 00:58:57,659
that can't be you you must be something

1369
00:59:02,659 --> 00:59:00,869
else Oh light bulb goes off there's

1370
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:02,669
another part of me that I didn't realize

1371
00:59:09,859 --> 00:59:06,630
non-dual apart so hey miss our great

1372
00:59:12,979 --> 00:59:09,869
stories are great you know that

1373
00:59:15,139 --> 00:59:12,989
throughout all this I mean the link that

1374
00:59:20,049 --> 00:59:15,149
I think you're making that is important

1375
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:20,059
here is that you've done this exhaustive

1376
00:59:26,209 --> 00:59:23,880
important chronicling of these star

1377
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:26,219
myths and how they're connected to all

1378
00:59:34,839 --> 00:59:31,169
these ancient civilizations it is not at

1379
00:59:38,359 --> 00:59:34,849
all surprising to me that those myths

1380
00:59:41,899 --> 00:59:38,369
correspond to spiritual teachers past

1381
00:59:43,909 --> 00:59:41,909
present and current you know present I

1382
00:59:45,379 --> 00:59:43,919
guess its current current teachers who

1383
00:59:46,939 --> 00:59:45,389
are saying the same thing from their

1384
00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:46,949
personal experience they're not saying

1385
00:59:52,189 --> 00:59:48,839
oh this was passed on to me they're

1386
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:52,199
saying no I sat here I meditated I came

1387
00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:52,590
to the

1388
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:55,580
realization and the realization matches

1389
01:00:04,460 --> 00:59:58,770
completely with what you're saying the

1390
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,470
myths say so to me again we're maybe I'm

1391
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:07,680
taking too much of it Tony but my point

1392
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,050
is that that's the point that interests

1393
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:12,000
me you don't have to teach me about

1394
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:14,730
authentic self integration kind of thing

1395
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:18,030
I mean like I say I'm 24/7 tell me what

1396
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:20,130
why where that's coming from

1397
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:25,470
well who and why these star myths that

1398
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,170
we can't date back that far why they

1399
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:29,760
exist and you maybe you felt like you

1400
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:31,710
handled that when you said you sit in

1401
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,570
place where you say there was some

1402
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:36,480
ancient civilization and they wanted to

1403
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:38,760
do that I would then even ask see but

1404
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:40,290
then that generates to me an interesting

1405
01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:43,170
question why would they why would they

1406
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:44,820
do that because at the same time you

1407
01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:47,370
know if you really look at the some of

1408
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:49,230
the evidence that's come up about Mars

1409
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:52,590
right it looks like from a number of

1410
01:00:57,110 --> 01:00:55,170
different points of reference here one

1411
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:57,120
being the remote viewing of Joe

1412
01:00:59,810 --> 01:00:57,900
mcmoneagle

1413
01:01:03,500 --> 01:00:59,820
who I think is like one of the top

1414
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:03,510
remote viewers in the world you know

1415
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,030
secret spy number zero zero zero and

1416
01:01:10,330 --> 01:01:07,980
then I just interviewed Courtney brown

1417
01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:10,340
who's currently a remote viewer both

1418
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:13,230
same thing independently remote view

1419
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:15,810
Mars ancient civilization maybe our

1420
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:18,150
ancestors and then I got John

1421
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:19,890
Brandenburg where I was interviewed and

1422
01:01:25,790 --> 01:01:21,930
he says hey I take it from a physicists

1423
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:25,800
standpoint ancient traces hundreds of

1424
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:27,840
millions of years ago of a nuclear

1425
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:31,920
explosion on Mars that Lee has all the

1426
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:35,850
signatures of a bomb so I just throw

1427
01:01:41,530 --> 01:01:38,490
that out because it establishes another

1428
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:41,540
data point there is the potential that

1429
01:01:46,940 --> 01:01:44,940
there are some ancient civilizations

1430
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:46,950
that are off planet there's one that's

1431
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:49,950
close by and and that that comes up over

1432
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,750
and over again I had a slide up there of

1433
01:01:55,460 --> 01:01:53,520
the Dogon right so you go talk to the

1434
01:01:58,220 --> 01:01:55,470
Dogon but you talk to all sorts of star

1435
01:01:59,810 --> 01:01:58,230
uh indigenous people and I just had an

1436
01:02:01,640 --> 01:01:59,820
expert on and we're all saying the same

1437
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,650
thing star people star people star

1438
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,660
people they came and they passed on this

1439
01:02:08,810 --> 01:02:06,000
wisdom so if you want to say the

1440
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:08,820
you stand apart from that and say no I

1441
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:10,770
don't go there I don't think that's

1442
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:12,810
necessary I think it could have been an

1443
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,660
ancient civilization that was Atlantean

1444
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,760
and was buried under the rocks for

1445
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:19,980
30,000 years fine I just want to know

1446
01:02:24,050 --> 01:02:21,390
what you think about that because to me

1447
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:24,060
it seems that all the evidence points

1448
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:27,660
towards alien visitation alien genetic

1449
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:29,850
engineering alien passing along

1450
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:32,460
intelligence but then that that raises a

1451
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:37,020
bunch of questions - all right so once

1452
01:02:40,790 --> 01:02:39,390
again I do want to get to the thing that

1453
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:40,800
you ended with but the thing that you

1454
01:02:44,090 --> 01:02:42,330
said at the beginning at the very

1455
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:44,100
beginning of this question that your

1456
01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:45,900
framing you said I got it

1457
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:48,870
I'm 24/7 so you don't have to convince

1458
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,690
me about connection with the authentic

1459
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,460
self but I would say this ties into the

1460
01:03:00,350 --> 01:02:55,140
whole story and we'll get to the aliens

1461
01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:00,360
in a second it ties in because we are

1462
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:03,060
not living in a society I would say

1463
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:07,440
these myths were given to uplift men and

1464
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:10,400
women prevent oppression prevent tyranny

1465
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,570
there are people who would argue with me

1466
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,160
about that and say no these myths are

1467
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:16,440
meant to bind you into religion but hold

1468
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:19,260
on so okay yeah good I think they're

1469
01:03:23,570 --> 01:03:21,150
there to uplift people it's great that

1470
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,580
you're 24/7 but there also has to be a

1471
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,200
societal component we want to uplift

1472
01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:27,480
others as well or we should at least be

1473
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:29,180
saying wait a minute

1474
01:03:35,780 --> 01:03:33,240
after the 101 and at the off-ramp

1475
01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:35,790
I see tent after tent after tent of

1476
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:39,260
people who are homeless what's going on

1477
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:43,560
the there's our society is not we're not

1478
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:46,770
all 24/7 reconnecting with our authentic

1479
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:50,370
self our society is actually engineered

1480
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,290
to disconnect you from Erath in excel so

1481
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:54,000
you're looking for solutions outside of

1482
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:56,430
yourself by consuming this or buying

1483
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:58,170
that or maybe the next person I date

1484
01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:00,930
will will solve my problems and it's

1485
01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:03,150
outside of you and we're endlessly

1486
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:06,030
rushing after a solution that's outside

1487
01:04:08,330 --> 01:04:07,320
even a lot of people are going to point

1488
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:08,340
to you and say what are you talking

1489
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:09,420
about you are part of this

1490
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:12,740
military-industrial complex that has us

1491
01:04:16,790 --> 01:04:14,940
dominating the world and living our

1492
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:16,800
phony baloney lifestyle by basically

1493
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:18,250
oppressing everyone else

1494
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:20,380
world and that's what we've done now you

1495
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:22,330
want to stand apart from that I mean I

1496
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:25,450
don't know I'm certainly not in the

1497
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:27,609
military right now and I wasn't one of

1498
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:29,890
the guys at the top I tell you that I'm

1499
01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:31,660
a part of it I'm a part of it I was

1500
01:04:35,609 --> 01:04:33,670
never in the military but I don't want

1501
01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:35,619
to give up everything you know by virtue

1502
01:04:41,609 --> 01:04:37,480
of the fact that we don't want to give

1503
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:41,619
up what we have I just that's a whole

1504
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:43,090
other discussion and when you start

1505
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:45,310
talking about societal changes there are

1506
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:48,310
a group of people who always stood aside

1507
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:50,980
and said you guys can go play whatever

1508
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:54,400
game you want with this world I am NOT I

1509
01:04:58,050 --> 01:04:56,530
am in this world but I'm not of that

1510
01:04:59,490 --> 01:04:58,060
world that's the only thing that makes

1511
01:05:01,260 --> 01:04:59,500
sense for me because as soon as you want

1512
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:01,270
to start going handed out money to

1513
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,770
people in tents then you got a bunch of

1514
01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:04,240
other people I mean I don't know how you

1515
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:06,040
solve that from if you want to go there

1516
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:08,080
let's go there but it doesn't make a lot

1517
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:09,310
of sense to be over there but let's

1518
01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:11,400
let's go back to the military point

1519
01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:14,020
there's a proper use for the military

1520
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:16,180
there's a proper use for strength

1521
01:05:22,859 --> 01:05:20,530
violence or force and swords and spears

1522
01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:22,869
and now we have rifles and other things

1523
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:26,380
and that's to protect people protect the

1524
01:05:32,089 --> 01:05:29,770
weak if I am protecting other people if

1525
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:32,099
someone is about to be raped or murdered

1526
01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:35,170
and I come in and stop them that's a

1527
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:37,270
proper use of force if I'm using it to

1528
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:38,740
go around and rape and murder people

1529
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:40,780
that's an improper use of force and I

1530
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:42,310
would draw a distinction between those

1531
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:43,359
two things and when I was in the

1532
01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:46,300
military I thought that the US Army was

1533
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:48,580
for defending democracy peace and

1534
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:50,710
freedom by the way I have not yet

1535
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:52,690
learned all I've learned about the myths

1536
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,730
in fact I hadn't even started down this

1537
01:05:58,290 --> 01:05:57,280
path when I got out of the Army and I'll

1538
01:05:59,970 --> 01:05:58,300
tell you that what I've learned about

1539
01:06:02,970 --> 01:05:59,980
the myths have changed a lot of the

1540
01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:02,980
things I believe I was a literalist

1541
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:05,320
Christian at that time I'm no longer a

1542
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:08,170
littlest Christian I no longer believe

1543
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:09,609
that the military is being used for

1544
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:10,990
defending peace and freedom and

1545
01:06:14,579 --> 01:06:12,730
democracy around the world it shouldn't

1546
01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:14,589
go there we can go there but the

1547
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:17,109
military is not being used to protect

1548
01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:18,640
this country it's being used to take

1549
01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:20,950
over other countries and take their

1550
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:24,430
resources Afghanistan is not going to

1551
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:25,930
invade us and yet we've been there for

1552
01:06:31,859 --> 01:06:29,650
18 years but what I'm saying is I don't

1553
01:06:35,069 --> 01:06:31,869
disagree I don't deny that there

1554
01:06:37,739 --> 01:06:35,079
a proper role for forced and militaries

1555
01:06:40,019 --> 01:06:37,749
my favorite of the ancient myths is

1556
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:40,029
probably the Odyssey Odysseus was a

1557
01:06:46,109 --> 01:06:42,970
badass fighter right but Odysseus

1558
01:06:48,359 --> 01:06:46,119
we see in that we see in that epic we

1559
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:48,369
actually see him to his mind we see his

1560
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:50,049
mind running away from them at certain

1561
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:52,329
points where he starts to panic and then

1562
01:06:58,739 --> 01:06:56,559
Athena shows up and inspires him and he

1563
01:07:01,920 --> 01:06:58,749
stops panicking and gets back to the

1564
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:01,930
moment and actually survives and in time

1565
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:03,849
after time in that book he would have

1566
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:06,400
perished when he met Circe he would have

1567
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,700
perished when he met still and Charybdis

1568
01:07:12,329 --> 01:07:10,960
he would have perished when he went down

1569
01:07:14,759 --> 01:07:12,339
into the underworld all these different

1570
01:07:17,759 --> 01:07:14,769
times but he had help from Hermes or

1571
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,769
help from Athena what is that so I'm

1572
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:19,680
saying if you want to be a better

1573
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:22,089
basketball player at the top of your

1574
01:07:28,259 --> 01:07:25,569
game or a better you know any human

1575
01:07:32,579 --> 01:07:28,269
endeavor martial arts or military arts

1576
01:07:35,609 --> 01:07:32,589
you you will do better if your higher

1577
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:35,619
mind or your authentic mind and your

1578
01:07:41,059 --> 01:07:39,099
egoic mind that is able to go into the

1579
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,069
future in the past are in harmony and

1580
01:07:45,479 --> 01:07:43,359
you will you will be able to realize

1581
01:07:47,099 --> 01:07:45,489
your potential better now what do you do

1582
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:47,109
with that potential hopefully you do

1583
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:49,420
things like defending the weak and

1584
01:07:53,609 --> 01:07:52,150
helpless rather than oppressing that

1585
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,619
weak and helpless so I think there's

1586
01:07:56,729 --> 01:07:55,119
there's an individual component and

1587
01:07:58,739 --> 01:07:56,739
there's a societal component so I didn't

1588
01:08:01,019 --> 01:07:58,749
want to I didn't want to leave that

1589
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:01,029
behind when you were saying hey this is

1590
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:02,650
all great and we're in agreement that we

1591
01:08:07,979 --> 01:08:06,430
should be working on you know ice baths

1592
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:07,989
or whatever it is that helps you get

1593
01:08:10,979 --> 01:08:09,430
into touch with your authentic self I

1594
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:10,989
totally agree with that but I also don't

1595
01:08:14,849 --> 01:08:12,940
think that we should as you said drop

1596
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:14,859
out from society completely and said

1597
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:16,210
well it's great I'm reaching

1598
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:18,190
enlightenment to heck with the guys who

1599
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:22,659
are I'm saying I can't do that I'm but I

1600
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:25,210
am saying you can do that I'm saying you

1601
01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:27,909
know what become more godlike and

1602
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,949
everything takes care of itself you

1603
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:32,080
don't have to get in to figure out what

1604
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:34,620
would Jesus do just become like Jesus

1605
01:08:38,879 --> 01:08:37,449
maybe we'll do like Jesus you don't need

1606
01:08:40,289 --> 01:08:38,889
to figure it out you don't need to

1607
01:08:42,629 --> 01:08:40,299
figure out how to solve the homeless

1608
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:42,639
problem or how to solve geopolitical

1609
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,870
problems you don't need to do any of

1610
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:45,520
that just be a better

1611
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:47,710
are you and then you will act

1612
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,299
accordingly and however you act you know

1613
01:08:54,690 --> 01:08:52,480
whether you're like you know my good

1614
01:08:56,670 --> 01:08:54,700
friend Rick our trip but if guess what

1615
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,680
who doesn't show with five hundred shows

1616
01:09:01,170 --> 01:08:58,630
with spiritual teachers but can't wrap

1617
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:01,180
his head around the climate change scam

1618
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:02,890
and how that's just designed to

1619
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,410
eliminate rights and take rights away so

1620
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:07,600
if you're a lot an alarmist like he is

1621
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:09,370
or if you're like I am and take more

1622
01:09:12,990 --> 01:09:11,170
kind of hey I don't know why they're

1623
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:13,000
playing this game I don't know why they

1624
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:14,710
did nine eleven I don't know why they

1625
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:16,870
did the the coup that was the Kennedy

1626
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,060
assassination I don't know why the

1627
01:09:23,190 --> 01:09:20,799
pedophile rings you know in the

1628
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:23,200
blackmail rings I don't know that I

1629
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:24,790
don't want to close my eyes from it

1630
01:09:29,070 --> 01:09:26,980
pretend it doesn't exist I agree with

1631
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:29,080
you on the military thing our best hope

1632
01:09:36,750 --> 01:09:33,670
is the US Navy commercials a force for

1633
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,760
good that's our best hope is to hold to

1634
01:09:41,579 --> 01:09:39,310
that ideal even if it's not true even if

1635
01:09:43,769 --> 01:09:41,589
we know it's we have to say you

1636
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:43,779
know what we had some guys back a couple

1637
01:09:46,410 --> 01:09:45,130
hundred years ago that founded this

1638
01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:46,420
country they had some pretty damn good

1639
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,150
ideas and they were like everyone just

1640
01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:51,279
has their own rights and then they'll do

1641
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:54,190
the right stuff and you know so I'm just

1642
01:10:01,170 --> 01:09:57,730
saying I don't I don't buy the leap too

1643
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:01,180
you know trust me on all because this

1644
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:02,890
has been used to exploit people and

1645
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:05,410
manipulate people and create cults is

1646
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,530
hey don't you agree with everything I'm

1647
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:10,960
saying about your authentic self now

1648
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:13,390
what we're gonna do is this social

1649
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:17,080
movement no pause I'm glad you're going

1650
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:20,830
there Alex because you're clearly and

1651
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:23,170
you asked me the last time and you

1652
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:24,040
mentioned it when you talk about

1653
01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:27,250
Josaphat well the word SIOP right you've

1654
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:30,190
used that word SIOP and our cults were

1655
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:33,510
the coats that suddenly popped up a

1656
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,100
PSYOP meaning were they more than just

1657
01:10:41,010 --> 01:10:37,840
an organic cult that just popped up it

1658
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:41,020
was it possible that there were agencies

1659
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:43,030
that were giving some of those cult

1660
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:45,970
leaders cover like telling the police

1661
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,530
well don't arrest that guy out in the

1662
01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:50,640
desert who's firing off machine guns you

1663
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:52,900
know and the police are like why not

1664
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:54,250
he's firing off machine guns

1665
01:10:57,810 --> 01:10:55,600
well I don't know but someone higher up

1666
01:10:59,069 --> 01:10:57,820
said don't touch him and then it turns

1667
01:11:01,770 --> 01:10:59,079
out it was Charles Manson

1668
01:11:03,419 --> 01:11:01,780
and the family hmm what's up with that

1669
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:03,429
so the Colts actually is an interesting

1670
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:06,460
point because what I told you about the

1671
01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:09,690
higher self in the the psyche when eros

1672
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:12,190
restores psyche he doesn't destroy

1673
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,500
psyche the Colts are like you need to

1674
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:17,820
get rid of your your mind you mean

1675
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:20,190
they're there they're a subtle

1676
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:23,800
distortion or twisting of what the

1677
01:11:27,569 --> 01:11:26,110
ancient myths are trying to do instead

1678
01:11:31,709 --> 01:11:27,579
of uplifting you they're actually trying

1679
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:31,719
to turn you into a slave but and you

1680
01:11:35,959 --> 01:11:33,730
mentioned Kennedy and all these things

1681
01:11:38,879 --> 01:11:35,969
I'm not sure if you were saying that

1682
01:11:41,569 --> 01:11:38,889
just if you get in touch maybe you were

1683
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:41,579
posing this as an argument that others

1684
01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:45,489
do that others do that you think is a

1685
01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:48,190
false argument well if I get in touch

1686
01:11:53,069 --> 01:11:50,590
with myself that's the best I can do and

1687
01:11:55,649 --> 01:11:53,079
society will take care of itself and I

1688
01:11:57,839 --> 01:11:55,659
would say there's a societal component

1689
01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:57,849
to it that we as citizens men and women

1690
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:00,520
can say to our government yes look I

1691
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,710
swore an oath to support and defend the

1692
01:12:06,540 --> 01:12:04,239
Constitution in the United States

1693
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:06,550
I'm totally dialed into the Constitution

1694
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:07,840
in the United States but I'll tell you

1695
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:10,210
that things that are going on like the

1696
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:11,800
invasion of your privacy when your

1697
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:13,570
iPhone is listening to you or Facebook

1698
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:17,860
is writing down your conversations is a

1699
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:19,540
violation of the Constitution in the

1700
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:20,860
United States and Facebook as a

1701
01:12:26,220 --> 01:12:23,770
corporation gets certain privileges from

1702
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:26,230
the government such as limited liability

1703
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:27,820
such as a corporate charter and the

1704
01:12:31,939 --> 01:12:29,320
people of the United States can say you

1705
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:31,949
know what I don't really like

1706
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:34,690
corporations taking all my data and

1707
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:36,250
listening to every single thing I say I

1708
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:38,500
don't think that's right Congress

1709
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:40,360
representatives in Congress please pull

1710
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,920
their corporate charter or take away

1711
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:43,360
their limited liability because that's

1712
01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:45,369
extended by society and when you have a

1713
01:12:50,939 --> 01:12:48,280
when you have a predator like Jeffrey

1714
01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:50,949
Epstein allowed out on the streets for

1715
01:12:57,330 --> 01:12:55,270
decades and preying upon the weakest you

1716
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:57,340
know young girls who are under the age

1717
01:13:02,970 --> 01:13:00,300
of consent so there's no there's no

1718
01:13:05,729 --> 01:13:02,980
hiring of a prostitute that's what he

1719
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:05,739
was quote-unquote convicted for in 2008

1720
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:08,050
there's a little you can't have a

1721
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:10,210
prostitute who's 14 15 or 16 because

1722
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:11,860
they're under the age of consent in

1723
01:13:17,890 --> 01:13:12,810
Florida where this

1724
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:17,900
happen so citizens can say hey I

1725
01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:20,610
meditate or i dunk myself in an ice bath

1726
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:22,950
and I get in touch with my authentic

1727
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,150
self but at the same time I demand that

1728
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:28,920
the social contract is the reason we

1729
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,930
have police and military and allow them

1730
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:32,280
to have machine guns when I'm not

1731
01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:33,960
allowed to have an m60 in my house

1732
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:36,240
machine gun they get to have it why

1733
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,770
because of the social contract and part

1734
01:13:42,580 --> 01:13:39,600
of that social contract is keeping

1735
01:13:45,170 --> 01:13:42,590
predators off the street and if I see

1736
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:45,180
evidence that there's like predators

1737
01:13:51,650 --> 01:13:49,800
being protected and allowed then I think

1738
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:51,660
as citizens you also have to get

1739
01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:53,580
involved in that and demand just a

1740
01:13:57,260 --> 01:13:55,140
minute I demand that my 14 year old

1741
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:57,270
daughter be protected from pedophiles is

1742
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:00,780
that too much to ask no it's not I don't

1743
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:03,210
know all I'm saying it though I guess my

1744
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:06,660
point was and I mean this is the kind of

1745
01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:08,940
world here that we're talking about I

1746
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:10,470
mean everything in the world is coming

1747
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:13,050
up in this conversation and that's why I

1748
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,850
keep trying to bring it back to star

1749
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:17,760
myths because that's your thing

1750
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:22,410
because like I can't tell people how to

1751
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:24,930
process all the stuff that you just

1752
01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:28,110
processed because I sound like just

1753
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,220
another idiot

1754
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:32,100
old man with a bunch of opinions that

1755
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:33,890
are different from anyone else's opinion

1756
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:36,930
what I can relate to about what you're

1757
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:39,930
saying is anyone who is on the journey

1758
01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:42,360
as I'm the spiritual journey is I'm

1759
01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:44,460
connecting with their authentic self

1760
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,400
will organically come to the right

1761
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:50,640
positions but I have to tell you I know

1762
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:54,420
people who are on that path and they

1763
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:56,490
come to some pretty weird conclusions

1764
01:15:00,760 --> 01:14:58,050
that are very different than the

1765
01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:00,770
conclusions I did and all I can say is I

1766
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:02,700
brought on to you

1767
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:05,130
my man because you know what that

1768
01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:06,450
journey I don't know where it's taking

1769
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:09,180
you but that person grew up they are

1770
01:15:13,730 --> 01:15:11,370
clearly you're on that journey so I

1771
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:13,740
don't know this gets into the nature of

1772
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:17,370
evil question which i think is related

1773
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,910
to these questions that we've been

1774
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:22,440
talking about I mean that's a question

1775
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:25,440
that is interesting to me I won't say

1776
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:26,440
it's important because

1777
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:29,140
I have some pretty fixed understandings

1778
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:32,500
of that but who and why in terms of the

1779
01:15:37,860 --> 01:15:34,750
MIT ancient myths the who and why are

1780
01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:37,870
the big questions to me and then what is

1781
01:15:43,979 --> 01:15:40,540
the relation between that force that

1782
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:43,989
energy that knowledge and the evil

1783
01:15:46,979 --> 01:15:46,090
because we do see evil so you know

1784
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:46,989
Jeffrey Epstein

1785
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:49,390
yada-yada we talked about him forever I

1786
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:53,080
had an FBI agent on and who infiltrated

1787
01:15:58,740 --> 01:15:56,230
NAMBLA because interesting because

1788
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,750
Jeffrey Epstein is too easy for people

1789
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:01,120
to kind of relate to and yeah having

1790
01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:02,590
Trump ran around and I picked up some

1791
01:16:06,689 --> 01:16:04,420
young girls maybe they're too young now

1792
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:06,699
go to NAMBLA go to NAMBLA where they

1793
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:10,330
trade in four year old boys three year

1794
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,750
old girls and then when they're done

1795
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:16,480
they trade them off and then they make

1796
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:20,530
films and then they ultimately kill in a

1797
01:16:26,130 --> 01:16:23,710
lot of cases so the reason I even go

1798
01:16:27,810 --> 01:16:26,140
there is not to kind of shock people or

1799
01:16:31,229 --> 01:16:27,820
anything like that is to say if you have

1800
01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:31,239
any doubts about the existence of each

1801
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:32,860
evil I won't even go to the nature of

1802
01:16:39,150 --> 01:16:35,560
you but the existence of evil then that

1803
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,160
kind of brings you oh okay I get it that

1804
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:41,760
is of a different ilk that isn't just

1805
01:16:48,810 --> 01:16:44,410
something that we can easily understand

1806
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:48,820
that is a force that we do see over and

1807
01:16:55,050 --> 01:16:50,650
over again so what is the relationship

1808
01:16:57,689 --> 01:16:55,060
between that force and a perennial

1809
01:16:59,459 --> 01:16:57,699
wisdom of the of the myths that's the

1810
01:17:01,680 --> 01:16:59,469
kind of stuff I'm interested in yeah

1811
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:01,690
absolutely and the reason I raised the

1812
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:04,810
Jeffrey Epstein issue is to say was to

1813
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:07,870
point out that you can't there's nobody

1814
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:09,340
who could argue that if I just get in

1815
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:10,930
touch with my Higher Self whether I do

1816
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:13,030
it through meditation drumming ice baths

1817
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:17,230
yoga or whatever method then predators

1818
01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:19,930
will will be kept off the street what

1819
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:22,300
I'm saying is you've got to have a

1820
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,770
social component as well as a

1821
01:17:27,959 --> 01:17:26,320
self-improvement component because if I

1822
01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:27,969
just worry about self-improving

1823
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:30,630
and think that that's gonna somehow stop

1824
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:33,610
horrendous systemic dramatization of

1825
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:36,090
children by NAMBLA or Jeffrey Epstein

1826
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:40,000
then you're wrong so it gets tricky some

1827
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:40,329
people

1828
01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:43,020
even tell you that in the grander

1829
01:17:47,819 --> 01:17:45,420
spiritual scheme of things including

1830
01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:47,829
reincarnation and souls that there is

1831
01:17:51,859 --> 01:17:49,780
some contract and this is all playing

1832
01:17:54,750 --> 01:17:51,869
out in a way that we don't completely

1833
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:54,760
understand so that the victims and the

1834
01:17:59,970 --> 01:17:57,790
perpetrators are actors changing roles

1835
01:18:05,100 --> 01:17:59,980
now I don't get into that

1836
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:05,110
I don't endorse that belief but I think

1837
01:18:09,419 --> 01:18:06,790
there's an element of that that is

1838
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,429
somewhat undeniable even when we look at

1839
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:12,400
our own history and how things emerge

1840
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:14,290
for us and stuff like that so the only

1841
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:16,449
thing I'd say with that is you know

1842
01:18:22,589 --> 01:18:19,690
again I'm treading lightly when someone

1843
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:22,599
says you know grab the pitchforks and

1844
01:18:27,689 --> 01:18:25,000
the torches because God is on our side

1845
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:27,699
on this one it's more like you know

1846
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,940
everyone's on a journey and I wouldn't

1847
01:18:36,209 --> 01:18:33,040
want to be Jeffrey Epstein and facing

1848
01:18:38,250 --> 01:18:36,219
his near-death experience or his after

1849
01:18:42,899 --> 01:18:38,260
death experience and his life review

1850
01:18:45,839 --> 01:18:42,909
where he feels the emotions and the the

1851
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:45,849
the feelings that he's inflicted on

1852
01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:47,710
other people I wouldn't want to be that

1853
01:18:53,819 --> 01:18:49,989
guy right now but beyond that in terms

1854
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:53,829
of you know how I balance all the the

1855
01:18:58,439 --> 01:18:56,590
massive scales I don't know how to do it

1856
01:19:01,680 --> 01:18:58,449
yeah so I'm glad you brought that up

1857
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:01,690
because if like you said there God is on

1858
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:05,110
our side if if you're I would argue that

1859
01:19:13,709 --> 01:19:08,590
if you're using your beliefs to justify

1860
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,719
the violation of other people's rights

1861
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:16,480
then that's a form of mind control if

1862
01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:19,540
you're saying well we can overlook the

1863
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:21,670
abuse and traumatization of those young

1864
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:24,690
children sexual abuse physical abuse

1865
01:19:32,459 --> 01:19:28,329
because of this passage in this

1866
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,469
scripture or that belief then you're

1867
01:19:38,189 --> 01:19:35,679
twisting it because the the ancient

1868
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:38,199
myths show that their gods work their

1869
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:40,329
will out through men and women their men

1870
01:19:44,549 --> 01:19:42,070
and women are precious every single

1871
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:44,559
person is so if you're using it to

1872
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:46,090
violate the rights of someone else

1873
01:19:50,490 --> 01:19:48,250
you're turning it upside down and that's

1874
01:19:52,350 --> 01:19:50,500
what I think actually happened with the

1875
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:52,360
imposition of literalist Christianity

1876
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:54,120
and wiping out the ancient

1877
01:19:59,460 --> 01:19:57,010
ancient beliefs in Europe starting with

1878
01:20:01,050 --> 01:19:59,470
the Greek and Roman gods but as you said

1879
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:01,060
proceeding through the Druids and

1880
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:02,650
working their way up to the Norse myths

1881
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:04,930
and then starting to jump the ocean and

1882
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:07,330
saying oh we better stamp out all the

1883
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:08,830
beliefs of the Maya we better stand

1884
01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:10,330
about the beliefs of the North American

1885
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:13,060
Native American nations we better stamp

1886
01:20:17,970 --> 01:20:14,890
out what's going on in the Pacific

1887
01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:17,980
Islands this has been stamping out in

1888
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:22,120
order to excuse and justify well see I

1889
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:24,360
would say that the gifts of the earth

1890
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:27,310
like oil that's under the earth

1891
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:28,750
the ancient Greeks would say well that's

1892
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:32,170
a gift of pluton or Hades everything

1893
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:33,550
under the earth all the riches of the

1894
01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:36,610
earth are given to that nation those

1895
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:38,230
people that were allowed to be born

1896
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:40,030
there by the gods and if I'm an oil

1897
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:42,310
company I say I want to drill in your

1898
01:20:47,550 --> 01:20:44,290
country and the people of that country

1899
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,560
say great that'll be 30 percent tax to

1900
01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:50,320
us for the riches of the gods that

1901
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:53,380
you're taking out and the oil company

1902
01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:55,810
says hey politicians could you take care

1903
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:58,180
of these pesky guys in that country who

1904
01:21:02,010 --> 01:20:59,920
are saying we have to pay a 30 percent

1905
01:21:03,630 --> 01:21:02,020
tax to them oh no problem

1906
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:03,640
we'll get our guy installed in there

1907
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:05,590
he'll collaborate with us we'll get that

1908
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:07,510
tax down to two percent and if there's

1909
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:09,070
any pesky peasants in the way of where

1910
01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:10,660
you want to drill we've got ways of

1911
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:12,760
moving them out of the way - so so I

1912
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:15,310
think this is actually all related the

1913
01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:17,730
the to the

1914
01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:20,680
all these issues but if you're excusing

1915
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:22,840
look we've created a society that

1916
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:25,270
traumatizes people and you just told me

1917
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:28,840
about a group that systematically

1918
01:21:32,730 --> 01:21:30,610
trumpet Isis people or we have this

1919
01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:32,740
Epstein character who is systematically

1920
01:21:37,170 --> 01:21:35,380
traumatizing people I'm saying you've

1921
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,180
got less resistance from the people if

1922
01:21:42,420 --> 01:21:39,280
they're all traumatized you've got less

1923
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:42,430
ability for the Constitution to work and

1924
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,490
for self-rule to stop predators if

1925
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:48,400
everybody's traumatized so I'm not

1926
01:21:53,490 --> 01:21:50,080
denying far from it that there's

1927
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:53,500
conspiracy type stuff involved in what

1928
01:21:58,050 --> 01:21:54,250
I'm talking about

1929
01:22:01,710 --> 01:21:58,060
the traumatization of the world by

1930
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:01,720
literalness christianity is a topic they

1931
01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:04,030
basically slaughtered all the Native

1932
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:07,480
Americans they justified slavery instead

1933
01:22:11,130 --> 01:22:09,100
and the david we're talking about the

1934
01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:11,140
whole world now so we're gonna get over

1935
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:12,550
to china and we're going to talk about

1936
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:15,010
the chai calm craziness right which is

1937
01:22:19,410 --> 01:22:17,770
worse in a lot of respects i don't want

1938
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:19,420
to go to China right now I don't want to

1939
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:21,550
be I don't want chai calm to run things

1940
01:22:26,490 --> 01:22:23,770
they don't have a little literalist

1941
01:22:28,500 --> 01:22:26,500
Christian interpretation they jumped on

1942
01:22:32,670 --> 01:22:28,510
the other bandwagon and are doing the

1943
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:32,680
atheistic communist you know I

1944
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,000
mean so to me that I don't I don't get

1945
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:39,280
the connection that you're that you're

1946
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:42,940
making there that's without getting back

1947
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:44,230
to that without getting back to the

1948
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:47,050
question that I'm asking is okay

1949
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:48,910
who are they why are they here and

1950
01:22:52,740 --> 01:22:50,860
what's their connection whatever okay so

1951
01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:52,750
let me go to the nothing to go to the

1952
01:22:56,729 --> 01:22:54,190
aliens you know you put up the

1953
01:22:58,979 --> 01:22:56,739
interesting picture of Giorgio tsoukalos

1954
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,989
there and I've met him that contact in

1955
01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:01,120
the desert and the point on the alien

1956
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:03,820
thing is there's a ton of evidence that

1957
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:05,650
points in that direction well we want to

1958
01:23:10,050 --> 01:23:07,690
go there you don't have to go there but

1959
01:23:13,229 --> 01:23:10,060
you can't deny that there's just a ton

1960
01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:13,239
of evidence you know part of your thing

1961
01:23:18,420 --> 01:23:16,600
is that and this is like another minor

1962
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:18,430
point but it's one that I'd like to hear

1963
01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:21,070
you can't comment on we all understand

1964
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,680
that people are in Stonehenge and

1965
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:26,320
they're looking up at the stars we did

1966
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:29,050
that but what it's a little detailed

1967
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:32,050
point it's a David Matheson point they

1968
01:23:35,780 --> 01:23:33,610
weren't just looking at the Stars

1969
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,790
they were looking at the constellations

1970
01:23:41,130 --> 01:23:38,560
right so constellations don't mean

1971
01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:41,140
anything but there's no independent

1972
01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:44,230
meaning of the constellations why do

1973
01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:46,540
they build these megalithic structures

1974
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,260
to look at constellations well because

1975
01:23:56,940 --> 01:23:52,480
the constellations as you're telling us

1976
01:23:58,710 --> 01:23:56,950
have meaning oh that that's that kind of

1977
01:24:00,570 --> 01:23:58,720
changes the whole thing right because

1978
01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:00,580
when you hear the kind of standard tripe

1979
01:24:06,510 --> 01:24:03,190
about Stonehenge it's like well that's

1980
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:06,520
your lunar eclipse and all that goes out

1981
01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:08,590
the window as soon as you say that they

1982
01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:10,300
were aligning with constellations same

1983
01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:13,030
thing with the Giza pyramids right Orion

1984
01:24:17,820 --> 01:24:14,830
I didn't know my god they aligned up

1985
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,830
Orion by that and the other image I have

1986
01:24:20,780 --> 01:24:20,080
up here is the Dogon right so you go to

1987
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:20,790
the Dogon

1988
01:24:28,190 --> 01:24:23,460
they say yeah well we did that cuz the

1989
01:24:30,650 --> 01:24:28,200
star people Sirius came down and told us

1990
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,660
that so we have all this stuff that

1991
01:24:35,450 --> 01:24:32,400
lines up and in all points in the same

1992
01:24:39,010 --> 01:24:35,460
direction in each n aliens and then you

1993
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:39,020
you seem super resistant to going there

1994
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:41,250
y-yeah so I'm not actually resisted

1995
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:42,900
going there so you people can go to my

1996
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:46,140
blog and search for Dogon and find blog

1997
01:24:49,970 --> 01:24:47,610
posts I've written about the Dogon is

1998
01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:49,980
more than one the Dogon people more than

1999
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:51,750
one blog post and people can go and

2000
01:24:56,420 --> 01:24:53,880
search on my blog for ancient aliens and

2001
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:56,430
find not just blog post but videos I've

2002
01:25:02,630 --> 01:24:58,530
made about it so here's why because I

2003
01:25:06,460 --> 01:25:02,640
would argue that star people or these

2004
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:06,470
encounters don't necessarily equal

2005
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:08,910
extraterrestrials I'm not ruling that

2006
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:10,470
out as a possibility if I'm an

2007
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:12,450
investigator if I'm Sherlock Holmes I

2008
01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:14,490
don't go into the investigation saying

2009
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:15,960
well I'm gonna rule out the possibility

2010
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:18,900
that the butler did it

2011
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:20,640
I'm not also gonna rule out the

2012
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:22,260
possibility that the police might be in

2013
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:23,970
on it I'm gonna have all those options

2014
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:28,800
open but I'll tell you that what I think

2015
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:32,930
is possible is that all this amazing

2016
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:34,770
correspondences that we're talking about

2017
01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:37,110
the connections to the stars around the

2018
01:25:42,170 --> 01:25:39,720
world and the megalithic monuments I

2019
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:42,180
mean first of all the building of the

2020
01:25:46,670 --> 01:25:44,550
Great Pyramid they're slinging around

2021
01:25:48,590 --> 01:25:46,680
some big blocks and there's still

2022
01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:48,600
controversy as to how those blocks got

2023
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:50,460
put up at those Heights because the

2024
01:25:55,370 --> 01:25:52,530
ramps would have to be twice as big as

2025
01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:55,380
the pyramids if it was ramps but not

2026
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:56,910
only that like you said they're

2027
01:26:01,040 --> 01:25:59,460
perfectly aligned almost perfectly

2028
01:26:03,230 --> 01:26:01,050
aligned north south east and west and

2029
01:26:06,740 --> 01:26:03,240
there are alignments with the shafts to

2030
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:06,750
certain stars and there's even this is a

2031
01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:09,960
mind-blower proportional relationships

2032
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:12,120
between the size of our spherical earth

2033
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,610
and the size of the Great Pyramid and

2034
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:16,620
people and people who are skeptical of

2035
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:18,750
that might say yeah Dave there's

2036
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:20,490
proportions between your house and the

2037
01:26:25,670 --> 01:26:22,500
size of the spherical earth we just have

2038
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:25,680
to find the right memorably divide by

2039
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:27,750
and we'll get the proportion yeah but

2040
01:26:33,919 --> 01:26:29,400
they're proportional to the size of the

2041
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:33,929
earth by the number for 43,200

2042
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:36,120
which is a precessional number which

2043
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:38,520
relates to the precession of the

2044
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,530
equinoxes the precession of the stars

2045
01:26:45,050 --> 01:26:42,480
and takes it's very hard to even figure

2046
01:26:47,330 --> 01:26:45,060
out the processional constant it takes

2047
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:47,340
years and years I still don't understand

2048
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:49,170
why you don't accept DT you kind of

2049
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:51,690
brush past at the point oh I don't

2050
01:26:56,270 --> 01:26:54,060
accept eyes it's not the evidence is

2051
01:26:59,330 --> 01:26:56,280
overwhelming now with it so we have the

2052
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:59,340
dod videos of these aircraft and I have

2053
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:01,980
the guy on the the UFOs I don't know how

2054
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:04,050
people get to UFOs and accept that

2055
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,520
there's UFOs that do these things we

2056
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:08,400
can't do that a human being can't do and

2057
01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:10,380
that they're powered by somebody but

2058
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:14,640
it's you won't go to et I like Jacques

2059
01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:17,820
valet who's no stranger in the head jock

2060
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:19,590
filet on the show you know Jacques filet

2061
01:27:23,290 --> 01:27:21,690
throws that stuff out there and that's

2062
01:27:27,979 --> 01:27:23,300
great but that's just kind of

2063
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:27,989
automatically equal look it's amazing

2064
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:29,640
craft doesn't automatically equal

2065
01:27:33,380 --> 01:27:31,140
extraterrestrials now I'm not saying

2066
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:33,390
that can fill in that captain amazing

2067
01:27:40,340 --> 01:27:37,199
craft from four throughout history you

2068
01:27:42,380 --> 01:27:40,350
know bob lazar who now was come out and

2069
01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:42,390
did that fantastic movie and he says yet

2070
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:43,830
you know here's the craft we had it at

2071
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:46,290
area 51 here's how we studied it here's

2072
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,760
how I understood the propulsion to work

2073
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:50,480
I had on Diana pasola

2074
01:27:57,740 --> 01:27:55,920
who you know is a PhD as a teacher she

2075
01:28:00,740 --> 01:27:57,750
goes out in the desert she finds the

2076
01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:00,750
craft pieces because a guy goes and

2077
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,670
shows her and there's all these kind of

2078
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:04,860
invisible College that knows all this

2079
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:06,330
stuff is going on I just had Mary

2080
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:08,760
arrived well on last week who is a

2081
01:28:13,459 --> 01:28:10,770
counselor for 30 years and helps people

2082
01:28:15,020 --> 01:28:13,469
talk about traumatized helps people who

2083
01:28:17,450 --> 01:28:15,030
are traumatized by their contact

2084
01:28:18,979 --> 01:28:17,460
experience so you know unless you want

2085
01:28:20,630 --> 01:28:18,989
to just take all that and pack it up in

2086
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:20,640
a box and just throw it all away

2087
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,310
then you got a big problem if you don't

2088
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,920
accept et that this idea that people

2089
01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:27,840
throw around they just drop out Jack

2090
01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:29,580
belay and they're like okay so now I can

2091
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:32,100
I can go on like et doesn't exist it's

2092
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:36,300
all fairies again no you can't hey this

2093
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:38,100
is great so I see you're passionate

2094
01:28:42,090 --> 01:28:39,290
about this

2095
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:42,100
Alex let me tell you let me ask you this

2096
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:46,810
would you discount the possibility that

2097
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:54,070
some of the UFO hype and activity after

2098
01:29:01,660 --> 01:28:59,050
world war ii was a PSYOP can that be

2099
01:29:03,310 --> 01:29:01,670
considered as a possible explanation for

2100
01:29:03,790 --> 01:29:03,320
summons because let me tie back to the

2101
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:03,800
myths

2102
01:29:07,420 --> 01:29:05,420
hold on hold on you asked the question

2103
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:07,430
let me answer it of course everything is

2104
01:29:14,410 --> 01:29:11,600
a PSYOP everything is is a control but

2105
01:29:16,090 --> 01:29:14,420
what I just hit you with there is the

2106
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:16,100
physical evidence so you might not like

2107
01:29:21,070 --> 01:29:19,370
Diana Walsh Basilica everyone does

2108
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:21,080
I'm not saying she went out in the

2109
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,330
desert and she finds these pieces of a

2110
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:25,520
craft and they don't analyze it and they

2111
01:29:27,340 --> 01:29:27,110
say that and you'd mentioned Jacques de

2112
01:29:29,140 --> 01:29:27,350
l'Est

2113
01:29:31,390 --> 01:29:29,150
I had Jacque play on you know what he's

2114
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:31,400
really interested in the same thing

2115
01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:34,730
she's friends with with while she was

2116
01:29:41,260 --> 01:29:37,820
friends with it he's interested in craft

2117
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:41,270
right so there's no doubt that that

2118
01:29:45,940 --> 01:29:43,910
that's real so the whole is there SIOP

2119
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:45,950
is there Project Blue Book was it a

2120
01:29:50,050 --> 01:29:48,110
complete cover-up did they reach some

2121
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:50,060
point here's what the history that I

2122
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:52,850
think reveals is that hey they were

2123
01:29:56,620 --> 01:29:54,530
surprised when all this stuff happens

2124
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:56,630
back in the forties like wow so they're

2125
01:30:00,130 --> 01:29:58,250
just kind of releasing it and then

2126
01:30:01,540 --> 01:30:00,140
they're at a junction where they have to

2127
01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:01,550
go okay which way do we go

2128
01:30:05,740 --> 01:30:03,590
do we just kind of do the mind-control

2129
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:05,750
thing like which relates to the Starman

2130
01:30:09,820 --> 01:30:07,850
thing and just go squash it and just go

2131
01:30:11,530 --> 01:30:09,830
missing form and just deny deny

2132
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:11,540
misinformed misinformed do we go that

2133
01:30:15,790 --> 01:30:13,570
route or do we go this route of kind of

2134
01:30:17,380 --> 01:30:15,800
embracing it and trying to understand it

2135
01:30:18,430 --> 01:30:17,390
well we know what route they went to and

2136
01:30:19,930 --> 01:30:18,440
they just went from this information

2137
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:19,940
route but that doesn't take away from

2138
01:30:24,730 --> 01:30:22,610
where we're at today we know that

2139
01:30:26,770 --> 01:30:24,740
there's a reality the Occam's razor is

2140
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:26,780
that there's a reality to it you can

2141
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:28,310
imagine all sorts of things but the

2142
01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:30,290
evidence is overwhelming that that's the

2143
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,450
reality let me bring my area of

2144
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:34,880
expertise into it Alex since you know

2145
01:30:39,730 --> 01:30:37,970
I'm not I'm not I haven't talked to

2146
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:39,740
Jacque delay the reason I brought him up

2147
01:30:46,570 --> 01:30:42,800
was because he says UFOs does not

2148
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:46,580
necessarily equal et at least not in

2149
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:48,710
every case that's why I brought him up

2150
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:50,570
but settings Yachvili aside I'm not

2151
01:30:52,630 --> 01:30:51,860
relying on the authority of Jacques

2152
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:52,640
filet let me talk

2153
01:31:01,120 --> 01:30:55,730
about the star myths for a second it's

2154
01:31:03,550 --> 01:31:01,130
undeniable that many members of the UFOs

2155
01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:03,560
must be ETS all the way down through

2156
01:31:11,710 --> 01:31:07,310
history rely on or point to the myths

2157
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:11,720
and say the crossing of the Red Sea was

2158
01:31:19,390 --> 01:31:15,110
caused by a UFO it parted the waters or

2159
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:19,400
the vision of Ezekiel is describing an

2160
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:22,730
alien craft and yet in the language that

2161
01:31:26,410 --> 01:31:24,530
they're trying to understand and what I

2162
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:26,420
can bring I didn't go there I'm not I'm

2163
01:31:31,930 --> 01:31:29,710
not going there but Simeon yes Rael has

2164
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:31,940
Rael tells you that when he was first

2165
01:31:36,130 --> 01:31:33,860
contacted they told him come back

2166
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:36,140
tomorrow the spacecraft with the tall

2167
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,610
alien is said come back tomorrow bring

2168
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:38,960
your Bible and I'll tell you all the

2169
01:31:43,090 --> 01:31:41,090
things that we don't want so what

2170
01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:43,100
there's all sorts of alien cults there's

2171
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:45,220
all sorts of alien beliefs and there's

2172
01:31:54,130 --> 01:31:51,020
tsunamis Anunnaki incision and Dolokhov

2173
01:31:56,860 --> 01:31:54,140
Sookie posits that a lot of these myths

2174
01:31:58,840 --> 01:31:56,870
work hard work a lot of these stories in

2175
01:32:00,940 --> 01:31:58,850
the Bible the Sun Stood Still for three

2176
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,950
days that was because the Venus was

2177
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:02,960
swooping around acrimony Velikovsky or

2178
01:32:09,250 --> 01:32:06,250
the Anunnaki described in the

2179
01:32:11,650 --> 01:32:09,260
Mesopotamian Epic over-zealous we get

2180
01:32:14,650 --> 01:32:11,660
that people can become so married to

2181
01:32:15,550 --> 01:32:14,660
their one kind of hammer that everything

2182
01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:15,560
looks like a nail

2183
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:17,480
you know let's cut him some slack okay

2184
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:20,480
cuz they were and to me everything in

2185
01:32:26,020 --> 01:32:22,850
the myths can be just going to be

2186
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:26,030
explained as celestial metaphor I can

2187
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,550
show you the crossing of the Red Sea I

2188
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:30,800
can show you the Holy Grail you know

2189
01:32:37,630 --> 01:32:35,030
what what does that get you David is so

2190
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:37,640
we're back to kind of to me though you

2191
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:39,710
just kind of back to pounding on the

2192
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:41,690
point that you that I concede it at the

2193
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:44,330
beginning it's undeniable that there's

2194
01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:47,120
this connection so the question is who

2195
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:52,040
and why and what is the relation to 80

2196
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:54,250
and what is the relation to evil so

2197
01:33:00,670 --> 01:32:56,810
great I don't deny it good

2198
01:33:02,710 --> 01:33:00,680
so therefore if when people start

2199
01:33:04,930 --> 01:33:02,720
getting too close to what actually

2200
01:33:05,649 --> 01:33:04,940
happened we trot out well it's all

2201
01:33:08,259 --> 01:33:05,659
because of age

2202
01:33:09,699 --> 01:33:08,269
aliens that will lead us off into a

2203
01:33:12,489 --> 01:33:09,709
rabbit hole well you roll your eyes

2204
01:33:15,810 --> 01:33:12,499
but I'm saying can we discount the

2205
01:33:17,949 --> 01:33:15,820
possibility that let's say severe

2206
01:33:21,459 --> 01:33:17,959
skepticism will take me through your

2207
01:33:24,370 --> 01:33:21,469
scenario where does that lead you to if

2208
01:33:26,649 --> 01:33:24,380
I can take you away from the uplifting

2209
01:33:29,709 --> 01:33:26,659
power of the myths and say well let's

2210
01:33:31,419 --> 01:33:29,719
take it back to we we thought it was all

2211
01:33:33,879 --> 01:33:31,429
about these external characters such as

2212
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:33,889
Jesus and Moses for centuries we had

2213
01:33:36,899 --> 01:33:35,449
them believing that that it was

2214
01:33:39,219 --> 01:33:36,909
literalistic

2215
01:33:41,109 --> 01:33:39,229
that kind of started to fall apart in

2216
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:41,119
the 20th century because of technology

2217
01:33:46,689 --> 01:33:43,489
and other things going on so people

2218
01:33:47,409 --> 01:33:46,699
started to our control system I don't

2219
01:33:51,069 --> 01:33:47,419
know why you're rolling your eyes

2220
01:33:52,989 --> 01:33:51,079
because this is if you plug ET into the

2221
01:33:55,299 --> 01:33:52,999
orchestrator of your myths

2222
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:55,309
how does that lessen your story in any

2223
01:33:59,109 --> 01:33:57,050
way it's like you're fighting it for no

2224
01:34:02,080 --> 01:33:59,119
reason because now it's external again

2225
01:34:03,850 --> 01:34:02,090
these stories are now about okay they're

2226
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:03,860
not external where are they from them

2227
01:34:09,429 --> 01:34:06,550
they're not external where are they from

2228
01:34:10,959 --> 01:34:09,439
it could be from the spiritual realm it

2229
01:34:15,219 --> 01:34:10,969
could be what is the spiritual realm

2230
01:34:17,649 --> 01:34:15,229
well let's say let's say that shamans or

2231
01:34:21,219 --> 01:34:17,659
people I know that term is overused but

2232
01:34:27,659 --> 01:34:21,229
around the world there are people there

2233
01:34:32,290 --> 01:34:27,669
are institutions of the people who have

2234
01:34:34,750 --> 01:34:32,300
contact with the realm that's not

2235
01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:34,760
described by our materialist physics

2236
01:34:41,020 --> 01:34:38,209
let's just talk about for instance you

2237
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:41,030
know you have a ayahuasca experience or

2238
01:34:43,989 --> 01:34:42,650
mushroom experience and you're

2239
01:34:46,209 --> 01:34:43,999
encountering and you're getting

2240
01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:46,219
information that you wouldn't get

2241
01:34:53,140 --> 01:34:50,329
otherwise or people don't need

2242
01:34:54,909 --> 01:34:53,150
substances to do that drumming is used

2243
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:54,919
around the world and drums were actually

2244
01:34:58,540 --> 01:34:56,650
drumming was actually outlawed by the

2245
01:35:00,669 --> 01:34:58,550
literalist Christians when they got up

2246
01:35:02,979 --> 01:35:00,679
in northern Norway they took away all

2247
01:35:04,659 --> 01:35:02,989
the drums from the shamans are a bit

2248
01:35:06,279 --> 01:35:04,669
dated this is what this is what I talk

2249
01:35:08,290 --> 01:35:06,289
about all the time I'm skeptical right I

2250
01:35:09,850 --> 01:35:08,300
got 200 shows on your death experience

2251
01:35:11,529 --> 01:35:09,860
because not because I care about

2252
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:11,539
near-death experience so much is because

2253
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:14,570
it clearly crushes the materialistic

2254
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:16,070
paranoia because now we have a medical

2255
01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:17,890
reason for that so you know

2256
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:20,860
take the DMT take the DMT experiments of

2257
01:35:26,010 --> 01:35:22,930
Rick Strassman and when they reach those

2258
01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:26,020
other realms ET is there as much of as

2259
01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:28,120
well as all these shamanistic honestly

2260
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:31,480
there you go no there you cannot I mean

2261
01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:34,000
you've got a substituted one thing for

2262
01:35:36,450 --> 01:35:34,630
another

2263
01:35:39,870 --> 01:35:36,460
but it doesn't explain the fundamental

2264
01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:39,880
question of why would spirits if you

2265
01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:41,740
want to just put spirits in there like

2266
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:43,900
you want to take e.t out and then you

2267
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:46,060
want put spirits in ok that's your

2268
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:48,130
choice and then you want to put spirits

2269
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:51,010
in tell me why the spirits did it in

2270
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,820
this way and and did it in the Stars and

2271
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:56,320
then did it you know with all these

2272
01:36:00,420 --> 01:35:57,970
stories throughout I like your other

2273
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:00,430
explanation made more sense which is hey

2274
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:03,310
it was um you didn't say Atlantis but

2275
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:05,530
like some Atlantean ancient civilization

2276
01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:07,410
that went around in boats and

2277
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:09,460
explanations Alex I think we're actually

2278
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:13,330
in violent agreement because you just

2279
01:36:17,850 --> 01:36:16,060
said we can get information from the

2280
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,860
other realm so these star people you

2281
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:19,600
said look there's been zillions of star

2282
01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:21,610
people encounters around the world why

2283
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:23,080
did those star people have to come from

2284
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:26,260
the planet Syria if I go into the if I

2285
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:29,290
go into the realm of the guy and I come

2286
01:36:32,340 --> 01:36:31,090
back and described it as gods or I come

2287
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:32,350
back and describe it as something and

2288
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:34,150
someone says oh that's an et gray or

2289
01:36:39,420 --> 01:36:36,910
whatever it doesn't doesn't mean that

2290
01:36:42,330 --> 01:36:39,430
that et gray came from the star Arcturus

2291
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:42,340
i getcha this is the stuff I talk about

2292
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:43,510
all the time but that's why I'm bringing

2293
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:45,370
it back to the storm the thing and I

2294
01:36:49,140 --> 01:36:47,050
keep bringing up the same question and

2295
01:36:50,130 --> 01:36:49,150
you don't I guess we're not on the same

2296
01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:50,140
wavelength or

2297
01:36:55,290 --> 01:36:52,030
that's right different ways but here's

2298
01:36:59,190 --> 01:36:55,300
the thing it's like why why is this

2299
01:37:02,460 --> 01:36:59,200
particular esoteric wisdom and let me

2300
01:37:04,350 --> 01:37:02,470
back up and say again Dave you've you're

2301
01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:04,360
the guy you're the man you're the one

2302
01:37:10,410 --> 01:37:07,960
who's who's kind of stood against the

2303
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:10,420
tide and said hey all this stuff is

2304
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:12,790
connected and you got 5,000 pages and

2305
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:16,000
now we have to go Wow he did it he

2306
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:18,970
single-handedly has established and made

2307
01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:21,520
that undeniable I'm going to the next

2308
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:23,800
question which you saying I've talked to

2309
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,810
all these I've talked to all these

2310
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:27,760
different people I've talked to mediums

2311
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:30,220
I've talked to near-death experiencers

2312
01:37:36,270 --> 01:37:34,080
out-of-body experience travelers DMT

2313
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,280
Ethne jinn kind of people all these

2314
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:38,800
people shot shamanic people all these

2315
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:42,010
people who are accessing the extended

2316
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,330
realm I've never heard any stories about

2317
01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:48,880
this kind of thing there's there there's

2318
01:37:54,030 --> 01:37:51,220
nothing like this in any of the other

2319
01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:54,040
literature where they come down if you

2320
01:37:58,170 --> 01:37:56,020
will that's maybe not right where they

2321
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:58,180
come down and they say we're gonna put

2322
01:38:05,460 --> 01:38:01,840
this in like a nursery school kind of

2323
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:05,470
book and say here are the stars here is

2324
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:08,170
the story here's what to think about

2325
01:38:14,340 --> 01:38:11,770
that that is unique there's nothing else

2326
01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:14,350
like that so why did they do it like

2327
01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:15,670
that do you suppose

2328
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:17,830
from that extended realm whether that

2329
01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:20,470
extended realm was et or not right I

2330
01:38:24,210 --> 01:38:23,590
mean I actually think if we just take a

2331
01:38:27,090 --> 01:38:24,220
breath

2332
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:27,100
we are talking about we're we agree

2333
01:38:30,540 --> 01:38:28,840
about all this non materialistic

2334
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:30,550
paradigm and if you go back to my

2335
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:33,690
blogpost I talked about nd ease Obi's

2336
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:38,730
because to explain that invisible realm

2337
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:41,680
it's like mr. Miyagi explaining Karate

2338
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:45,070
Kid karate is invisible that's my the

2339
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:46,960
metaphor as karate is invisible the

2340
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:50,320
myths are saying there's an infinite

2341
01:38:54,510 --> 01:38:53,170
realm you could call it the infinite

2342
01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:54,520
realm you could call it the dream time

2343
01:38:58,860 --> 01:38:56,710
you could call it the other world I'm

2344
01:39:01,050 --> 01:38:58,870
going to tell you about it I'm going to

2345
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,060
use this broad canvas of the Stars

2346
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,520
because they're perfect for explaining

2347
01:39:09,570 --> 01:39:05,920
it I'm not saying that the constellation

2348
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:09,580
of Hercules is the god zeus the god zeus

2349
01:39:14,010 --> 01:39:12,370
is an entity that dwells in the

2350
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:14,020
invisible realm and why did you want to

2351
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:15,610
say well he's part of your subconscious

2352
01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:16,630
Dave

2353
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:19,720
okay I'll grant you that I mean oh but

2354
01:39:22,830 --> 01:39:21,370
my subconscious can next to the realm of

2355
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,840
the gods because our subconscious can

2356
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:24,880
somehow there's people who woke up

2357
01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:29,860
during the Vietnam War this is a an

2358
01:39:33,330 --> 01:39:31,720
illustration I like to point out that

2359
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:33,340
shows that our subconscious knows a lot

2360
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:36,310
more than our mind can grasp and any

2361
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:37,870
material if still grant you that and say

2362
01:39:41,169 --> 01:39:39,730
yeah your gut is gathering information

2363
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:41,179
that your mind doesn't even pay

2364
01:39:45,489 --> 01:39:43,550
- but our subconscious sometimes even

2365
01:39:47,410 --> 01:39:45,499
those things that it shouldn't be able

2366
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:47,420
to know like I got a premonition that

2367
01:39:51,370 --> 01:39:49,130
something horrible happened to my child

2368
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:51,380
and I woke up at 2:00 in the morning and

2369
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:53,209
later I got a call from the Army and

2370
01:39:57,549 --> 01:39:55,550
that was exactly when he was in this

2371
01:39:59,259 --> 01:39:57,559
firefight in Vietnam and I'm a few

2372
01:40:01,179 --> 01:39:59,269
continents away from Vietnam right now

2373
01:40:04,060 --> 01:40:01,189
well how do my subconscious get that

2374
01:40:05,859 --> 01:40:04,070
message obviously through the realm of

2375
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,869
the gods or whatever realm they want to

2376
01:40:11,229 --> 01:40:07,280
call it but it's outside of the material

2377
01:40:12,939 --> 01:40:11,239
experiment so how do I explain the rules

2378
01:40:15,069 --> 01:40:12,949
or not necessarily the rules but the

2379
01:40:17,649 --> 01:40:15,079
functioning of this invisible realm to

2380
01:40:19,899 --> 01:40:17,659
people who they're conscious mind or

2381
01:40:22,959 --> 01:40:19,909
their egoic mind was gonna choke on it

2382
01:40:24,969 --> 01:40:22,969
just like mr. Miyagi taught karate to

2383
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:24,979
daniel-san his conscious mind would have

2384
01:40:29,140 --> 01:40:27,650
choked on it he said hold on I can't

2385
01:40:31,089 --> 01:40:29,150
just tell you about how to stop Jonny's

2386
01:40:33,790 --> 01:40:31,099
kick I got to show you wax on wax off

2387
01:40:35,859 --> 01:40:33,800
that's how they show us somebody who

2388
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:35,869
knew all this stuff about all the things

2389
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:37,369
you're talking about Oh bees and bees

2390
01:40:41,410 --> 01:40:39,650
the invisible realm the fact that we can

2391
01:40:43,209 --> 01:40:41,420
our subconscious can tap in somehow to

2392
01:40:44,620 --> 01:40:43,219
their realm with the gods

2393
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:44,630
and you can call it something else if

2394
01:40:48,819 --> 01:40:46,820
you want said how am I gonna explain the

2395
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:48,829
operation of this to people because they

2396
01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:50,449
need it it's profound but it's also very

2397
01:40:55,989 --> 01:40:54,260
practical I'm gonna use mr. Miyagi's wax

2398
01:40:58,449 --> 01:40:55,999
on wax off no wait a minute that's for

2399
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,459
karate okay I'm going to use the Stars

2400
01:41:04,029 --> 01:41:01,119
because the stars are up from one

2401
01:41:05,949 --> 01:41:04,039
horizon and then you cross across the

2402
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:05,959
realm of spirit and then they sink down

2403
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:07,760
into the earth and that's and it's a

2404
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:10,249
perfect illustration of our condition

2405
01:41:16,989 --> 01:41:13,760
here in this body of quote-unquote clay

2406
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:16,999
which is water and dirt water and earth

2407
01:41:22,299 --> 01:41:19,249
that's where the stars go down into they

2408
01:41:24,429 --> 01:41:22,309
go down into the earth seemingly from

2409
01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:24,439
our okay so it's a perfect way of

2410
01:41:28,350 --> 01:41:26,329
explaining it that's what I okay and so

2411
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,360
whoever these people were whatever

2412
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:30,320
please don't say whoever these people

2413
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:34,070
are just you just had a God doing this

2414
01:41:37,419 --> 01:41:35,510
and now you say whoever these people

2415
01:41:39,370 --> 01:41:37,429
with are do you realize that's kind of

2416
01:41:42,129 --> 01:41:39,380
confusing you can't say there was some

2417
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:42,139
God sitting up on a cloud and one of the

2418
01:41:47,020 --> 01:41:44,449
gods decided okay my way of gonna do

2419
01:41:48,699 --> 01:41:47,030
this is going to be through these star

2420
01:41:50,679 --> 01:41:48,709
myths and that's how I'm going to do it

2421
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,689
you know then you can't switch and then

2422
01:41:54,970 --> 01:41:52,639
say these people because then that's

2423
01:41:56,830 --> 01:41:54,980
kind of out of it so that it

2424
01:41:59,110 --> 01:41:56,840
what I'm pushing you on is that I've

2425
01:42:01,690 --> 01:41:59,120
talked to all these different people who

2426
01:42:04,420 --> 01:42:01,700
have accessed the extended consciousness

2427
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:04,430
realm in that kind of way that you're

2428
01:42:08,410 --> 01:42:07,130
thinking it doesn't come up at all so of

2429
01:42:10,990 --> 01:42:08,420
course something that you are the

2430
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:11,000
shamanic auto-ship I read Mircea Eliade

2431
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,910
days book shamanism no you're

2432
01:42:18,460 --> 01:42:15,440
misinterpreting you're misinterpreting

2433
01:42:19,090 --> 01:42:18,470
what I'm saying what I'm saying what I'm

2434
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:19,100
not done

2435
01:42:22,570 --> 01:42:20,450
you're gonna you're now gonna tell me

2436
01:42:24,460 --> 01:42:22,580
how the shamans had all these myths to

2437
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:24,470
which is back just to proving to me that

2438
01:42:30,010 --> 01:42:26,810
it's undeniable that all the minute I

2439
01:42:33,310 --> 01:42:30,020
get it I get it I keep coming back to

2440
01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:33,320
why I keep coming back to why would they

2441
01:42:43,630 --> 01:42:37,940
do it in this way that is so you know

2442
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:43,640
kind of uniquely peculiar in terms of

2443
01:42:54,250 --> 01:42:50,360
how it's done I mean like an hour I was

2444
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:54,260
in the infantry I have a lot of head

2445
01:43:01,060 --> 01:42:56,570
injuries I need to explain to me

2446
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:01,070
infantry simple man so like I might not

2447
01:43:04,780 --> 01:43:03,410
be I might I might not be the fastest

2448
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,790
one to pick up on the question you're

2449
01:43:09,370 --> 01:43:06,560
actually asking but what I'm saying is

2450
01:43:11,229 --> 01:43:09,380
why couldn't this ancient culture this

2451
01:43:13,780 --> 01:43:11,239
ancient sophisticated culture that was

2452
01:43:16,270 --> 01:43:13,790
so much more ancient in than the ancient

2453
01:43:19,690 --> 01:43:16,280
Egyptians the earliest ancient Egyptian

2454
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:19,700
dynasty or dynasty was ancient to us but

2455
01:43:24,910 --> 01:43:20,980
it was only five thousand years ago

2456
01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:24,920
gobekli tepe according to radiocarbon

2457
01:43:30,700 --> 01:43:27,380
dating of the walls must have been

2458
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:30,710
buried by 8,000 BC so it was as ancient

2459
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:33,170
to the earliest Egyptian dynasty as the

2460
01:43:35,770 --> 01:43:33,920
earliest emption

2461
01:43:37,420 --> 01:43:35,780
Egyptian dynasty is dust and probably

2462
01:43:40,090 --> 01:43:37,430
more ancient so there's more ancient

2463
01:43:41,950 --> 01:43:40,100
culture I say whoever they were because

2464
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:41,960
we don't know who they were but why

2465
01:43:45,550 --> 01:43:43,970
could they not have been using shamanic

2466
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:45,560
techniques and I know that words are

2467
01:43:49,630 --> 01:43:47,570
overused but these techniques that you

2468
01:43:51,580 --> 01:43:49,640
talk about the endings Obie's to tap

2469
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:51,590
into the realm of the gods and put

2470
01:43:56,110 --> 01:43:53,690
together this system why did they put it

2471
01:43:57,610 --> 01:43:56,120
together this way the same way that we

2472
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:57,620
were same reason to mr. miyagi taught

2473
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:00,320
Daniels on that way because our egoic

2474
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:02,510
minds which is a defense mechanism for

2475
01:44:06,970 --> 01:44:04,010
dealing with this world that we found

2476
01:44:08,380 --> 01:44:06,980
ourselves in from infancy it defends us

2477
01:44:10,570 --> 01:44:08,390
it's there it's like

2478
01:44:12,730 --> 01:44:10,580
outing Thomas why was doubting Thomas so

2479
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:12,740
doubtful it was doubts were his defense

2480
01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:14,750
mechanism from getting burned when they

2481
01:44:18,460 --> 01:44:16,940
said we've seen Jesus he said yeah right

2482
01:44:21,150 --> 01:44:18,470
I'll believe it when I touch it a

2483
01:44:23,290 --> 01:44:21,160
defense our mind is a defense mechanism

2484
01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:23,300
Daniel son had all kinds of defense

2485
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:24,860
mechanisms because he'd been hurt Eve

2486
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:27,440
then he was full of doubts and he was a

2487
01:44:31,870 --> 01:44:29,210
very untrusting individual and mr.

2488
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,880
miyagi said the way to reach this kid is

2489
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:33,920
not through the direct route it's

2490
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:35,690
through the indirect route and the

2491
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:37,610
people who put this myths together and I

2492
01:44:41,410 --> 01:44:39,850
don't admit that it had to have

2493
01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:41,420
extraterrestrials from the planet

2494
01:44:48,850 --> 01:44:45,460
circling Arcturus it could have been a

2495
01:44:51,010 --> 01:44:48,860
sophisticated human culture that was

2496
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:51,020
tapped into this and said how am I going

2497
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:54,010
to teach this well we know that our mind

2498
01:44:58,420 --> 01:44:56,930
our defense mechanism mind that deals

2499
01:45:00,160 --> 01:44:58,430
with culture is gonna choke on it just

2500
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:00,170
like Daniel son so we're gonna have to

2501
01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:02,050
use the mr. miyagi route and go around

2502
01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:04,490
where did they get this incredible

2503
01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:07,310
wisdom maybe from the realm of the Gods

2504
01:45:09,790 --> 01:45:08,540
which they might have accessed through

2505
01:45:11,290 --> 01:45:09,800
plants they might have access through

2506
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:11,300
breathing I don't know how they accessed

2507
01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:13,610
it because it was so far in advance in

2508
01:45:17,230 --> 01:45:15,590
ancient Egypt nobody can tell you for

2509
01:45:19,660 --> 01:45:17,240
sure but if someone tells you for sure

2510
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:19,670
it was Arcturians then my skeptical

2511
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:22,310
meter goes Bing how the hell do you know

2512
01:45:26,380 --> 01:45:24,110
is for sure Arcturians well because we

2513
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:26,390
trying to craft well what if I say that

2514
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:29,090
craft could have been Nazis you go what

2515
01:45:31,900 --> 01:45:30,650
do you mean Nazis well they were working

2516
01:45:35,020 --> 01:45:31,910
on some pretty advanced craft and that

2517
01:45:36,940 --> 01:45:35,030
was 1942 so don't tell me you're sure

2518
01:45:39,930 --> 01:45:36,950
it's Arcturians that could be a saya

2519
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:39,940
that's what I'm saying for sure but

2520
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:45,110
we've I that we probably frustrated but

2521
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:47,810
a lot of our audience but maybe said oh

2522
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:53,930
I've had a good time it was me I take I

2523
01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:56,930
take blame but hey that's I should I get

2524
01:46:01,720 --> 01:45:59,960
to do what I want once a week like I

2525
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:01,730
said I think every single individual

2526
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:03,170
brings out something different and you

2527
01:46:06,580 --> 01:46:04,850
certainly brought out you took it in

2528
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:06,590
some different ways and I think that's

2529
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:09,020
valuable I don't I don't have any

2530
01:46:11,980 --> 01:46:10,310
problem with confrontation because as

2531
01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:11,990
you noticed I was there as you mentioned

2532
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:13,340
I was in the military I don't

2533
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:16,370
necessarily love to go that route but I

2534
01:46:20,140 --> 01:46:18,170
don't really have a thin skin I mean

2535
01:46:20,839 --> 01:46:20,150
I've been called everything wrong I was

2536
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:20,849
in the army

2537
01:46:27,530 --> 01:46:25,290
well we are we are confronting I'm you

2538
01:46:29,540 --> 01:46:27,540
know like we both I said you know over

2539
01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:29,550
90 percent agreement and and the most

2540
01:46:37,339 --> 01:46:31,380
fundamental thing that you're saying is

2541
01:46:40,580 --> 01:46:37,349
this return to self is is I've recapped

2542
01:46:45,220 --> 01:46:40,590
the story over and over again but it's

2543
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,230
phenomenal to think that the star myth

2544
01:46:51,140 --> 01:46:47,760
hypothesis that you've established so

2545
01:46:54,589 --> 01:46:51,150
beautifully has this deeper connection

2546
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:54,599
with all the great wisdom traditions

2547
01:46:59,780 --> 01:46:57,090
that tell us that the real journey is

2548
01:47:02,330 --> 01:46:59,790
the journey to ourself and that that's

2549
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,340
the journey that we should put foremost

2550
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,800
in our life and then there's all these

2551
01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:07,440
awesome awesome stories that are

2552
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:09,900
inspiring you know I mean it's not my

2553
01:47:16,339 --> 01:47:13,199
cup of tea but it's inspiring to so many

2554
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:16,349
people and has been throughout the ages

2555
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:20,460
and is that what the final question and

2556
01:47:25,939 --> 01:47:22,409
then we'll leave the skeptical board for

2557
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:25,949
a minute what is what is your personal

2558
01:47:33,919 --> 01:47:30,480
kind of way that you like to kind of

2559
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:33,929
learn and relate and I guess why do the

2560
01:47:39,859 --> 01:47:36,570
mists in allegory why do you think that

2561
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:39,869
that draws you in because I like to see

2562
01:47:42,319 --> 01:47:41,010
connections that's a really good

2563
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,329
question I'd like to see connections

2564
01:47:47,450 --> 01:47:44,159
between things and that's what metaphors

2565
01:47:48,740 --> 01:47:47,460
do their show connections between it's

2566
01:47:50,569 --> 01:47:48,750
like oh I want to show you this new

2567
01:47:51,950 --> 01:47:50,579
concept I'm gonna connect it to

2568
01:47:54,109 --> 01:47:51,960
something that you know a little better

2569
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:54,119
to get you across the river to this

2570
01:47:58,100 --> 01:47:56,250
other side and I'm going to use

2571
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:58,110
something that you some stepping stones

2572
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,760
that will help you across that river and

2573
01:48:02,990 --> 01:48:01,679
that's what the myths I think I mean

2574
01:48:03,740 --> 01:48:03,000
that's what mr. Miyagi is doing with

2575
01:48:05,620 --> 01:48:03,750
daniel-san

2576
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:05,630
Dainius on had no conception of

2577
01:48:09,859 --> 01:48:08,250
conception or this martial art that he

2578
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:09,869
wanted to teach him so he taught him

2579
01:48:13,100 --> 01:48:11,610
through something more familiar and got

2580
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:13,110
him to the other side and it's like a

2581
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:14,520
magical moment that everyone remembers

2582
01:48:18,649 --> 01:48:16,679
when the lights finally go on for down

2583
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:18,659
daniel-san like his mind jumps across

2584
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:20,310
the river while these connections

2585
01:48:25,129 --> 01:48:22,020
between the stars

2586
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,139
what are these constellations if not us

2587
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:27,360
connecting the stars and then connecting

2588
01:48:32,689 --> 01:48:29,880
them to our condition in order to convey

2589
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:32,699
these like I said profound but also very

2590
01:48:36,530 --> 01:48:34,170
practical truths

2591
01:48:38,030 --> 01:48:36,540
about each and every about yourself and

2592
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:38,040
then each and every other man and woman

2593
01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:39,810
you ever meet that they have this

2594
01:48:45,170 --> 01:48:41,400
invisible component as well and that's

2595
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:45,180
what that's why we have to to you know

2596
01:48:49,460 --> 01:48:47,610
respect and you know we had this kind of

2597
01:48:51,470 --> 01:48:49,470
discussion that got a little heated but

2598
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:51,480
I recognize that every single other

2599
01:48:55,250 --> 01:48:53,490
person that I meet is this other as it's

2600
01:48:57,290 --> 01:48:55,260
divine components is down here wrestling

2601
01:48:59,060 --> 01:48:57,300
with this physical world it's like

2602
01:49:02,690 --> 01:48:59,070
that's why they say Namaskar amor

2603
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:02,700
namaste is either that part of me

2604
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:04,260
recognizes that part of you and we're

2605
01:49:08,570 --> 01:49:06,090
down here wrestling with this I'm not

2606
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:08,580
mad about I don't get mad about that

2607
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:10,770
nature and if we all took that view that

2608
01:49:16,670 --> 01:49:14,820
maybe would be more better off as a

2609
01:49:19,730 --> 01:49:16,680
society but anyway I do actually have a

2610
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:19,740
hard stop in like four minutes so if we

2611
01:49:23,570 --> 01:49:22,710
could let's do that then I tell you what

2612
01:49:26,540 --> 01:49:23,580
but I think it's been a great

2613
01:49:28,940 --> 01:49:26,550
conversation oh I so appreciate it and I

2614
01:49:31,820 --> 01:49:28,950
and I the work is phenomenal I've said

2615
01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:31,830
that enough so David you write some as

2616
01:49:37,580 --> 01:49:34,620
you alluded to some fantastic blog posts

2617
01:49:40,220 --> 01:49:37,590
that cover a variety of topics you

2618
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:40,230
podcast as well so people need to check

2619
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:41,730
out these books to get the kind of

2620
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:43,890
background but where can they stay more

2621
01:49:49,070 --> 01:49:46,530
up-to-date on your kind of

2622
01:49:51,020 --> 01:49:49,080
minute-by-minute stuff yeah thanks Alex

2623
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:51,030
so I have a website that is called star

2624
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:54,690
myth WorldCom so if you remember star

2625
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,630
myths of the world it's star myth

2626
01:50:01,130 --> 01:49:59,280
world.com you can really just search for

2627
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:01,140
my last name and the word stars you can

2628
01:50:06,740 --> 01:50:03,450
probably stumble upon something but star

2629
01:50:08,900 --> 01:50:06,750
myth worldcom has tons of content

2630
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:08,910
there's two exciting events coming up

2631
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,490
I'll be in October I'll be at the

2632
01:50:15,050 --> 01:50:13,440
conference on precession and ancient

2633
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:15,060
knowledge where Robert Schoch will be

2634
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:17,450
there Carmen bolter Alan green

2635
01:50:21,410 --> 01:50:18,930
Christopher Dunn

2636
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:21,420
Walter Tim that's October fourth

2637
01:50:24,980 --> 01:50:23,400
fifth and six and there's a discount

2638
01:50:27,500 --> 01:50:24,990
code if you want to sign up just put my

2639
01:50:29,660 --> 01:50:27,510
last name Matheson in the discount code

2640
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:29,670
you get $50 off on that one that's in

2641
01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:31,530
Newport Beach California that'll be cool

2642
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:34,230
lots of great speakers will be there and

2643
01:50:39,170 --> 01:50:36,930
then there's another event in April of

2644
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,180
2020 that one's almost sold out it's

2645
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:40,560
with the guys from dry America I know

2646
01:50:44,900 --> 01:50:42,810
you know them and also a couple guys

2647
01:50:46,460 --> 01:50:44,910
from the brothers of the serpent podcast

2648
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:46,470
a newer podcast really interesting

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that'll be in the

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the high-altitude desert near Bryce

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Canyon will be going to Bryce Canyon

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look at the stars talk about the myths

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and all these topics Hellickson I just

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discussed that'll be in April of 2020

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and that's contact at the cabin dot-com

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so you can check out the details there

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on that it's almost sold out to also

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David fantastic you're great man thank

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you so much for joining me thanks for

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thanks for going in that direction and

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keeping the you know under pressure

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causes you to articulate more clearly

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what you're trying to say so I'm I'm all

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for your using the old Socratic method

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on me there I see from your ancient

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Greek roots Alex all right thanks a lot

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it's been really fun and we'll talk

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again thanks again to David Matheson for

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joining me today on skeptic Oh final

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question I guess I'd T up from this

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episode and since I Bradley frustrated

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the heck out of Dave with this question

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I might as well ask you all who created

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the star myths so if you listen to that

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I don't need to add any more

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context that but I would love to hear

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your answer the best place if you're

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interested in interacting with me and

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other listeners is probably through the

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skeptical forum you can find it from The

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Skeptical website which is at s ke P tik

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and while you're there of course you can

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find links to all our previous episodes

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over 400 of them all available for free

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download you just get the mp3 and you're

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off and can do what you like thanks so

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much for joining me on skeptic oh I do

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have I think some really good shows

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coming up I'm continuing to just kind of

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pound on these issues that are important

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to me I'm trying to figure some stuff

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out so this show might sound a little

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01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:45,380
bit different from other book interview

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01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:48,800
shows you hear but hey that's kind of

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like that's got a my agenda if you will

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so I hope you stick around I hope you

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share it with anyone you think would be

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interested in it and until next time